r/PowerScaling • u/mr-rando423 • Aug 13 '24
Genshin players, is Low Multiversal Raiden legit? Games
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u/LinkGreat7508 🎶 I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING🎶 Aug 14 '24
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u/IllustriousSea5998 #1 Goku N’ Gojo glazer Aug 14 '24
Hell no. Multi continental is the most generous of wanks
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
Not even, shes country level due to splitting one of inazuma's main Islands. (the ingame map is a way way way WAY down scaled versión of the lore map). The strongest playable character caps at continental.
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u/Murky_Blueberry2617 Hebi Sasuke is Universal+ frfr Aug 14 '24
Genshin has the potential to get to planetary+ tho. Considering the Sinners, Primordial one and the Unknown god
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
Its already star level due to the great mages creating stars and worlds
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u/Murky_Blueberry2617 Hebi Sasuke is Universal+ frfr Aug 14 '24
Isn't that because of hax, not power?
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
I mean, yeah. But it still makes them star level, theyre actual real worlds and stars. Even if they used their abilities to create them. You cant create an entire dimensión with sheer power, this goes to all of fiction as well
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u/Zexah_Art Aug 14 '24
ehh, there probably some series where it counteracts that final point, but I dont know any at the moment.
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u/Pristine_Battle_6968 Aug 14 '24
I wouldn't say fodder like the top comment guy, but certainly very strong compared to most popular medias. Raiden alone can solo Jujutsu kaisen low diff. You have to give genshin its props but people these days just like to call popular things fodder except superman and Goku for some reason. Like when have they ever specifically shown them destroying the entire multiverse and saying "I destroyed the multiverse".
Also Raiden shogun has an extremely busted domain expansion type shit where she can turn off your abilities. She may not have that high Ap being around continent level since we don't see how far her island cutting slash went but her hax make up for it.
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u/DeusDosTanques That one Genshin scaler Aug 14 '24
Also forgot to mention her plane of euthymia wouldn’t work as a full on ability counter with verse equalization in place, as that one only works specifically on visions, and not on any of the other power systems in place in Genshin, the Traveller himself is immune to it, so are Archons, other gods, and any magic user.
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u/Pristine_Battle_6968 Aug 14 '24
Actually archons aren't immune to it from what I remember, as it disables all abilities including Zhongli and venti, also archon with no visions, and I think it also works on xiao who I remember not having a vision.
But hey since I'm including gameplay she's extremely fodder since her playable version can die to fall damage when not plunging.
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u/DeusDosTanques That one Genshin scaler Aug 14 '24
Xiao does have a vision, yes, but doesn’t need it to use most his powers for the reasons I’ve stated. Also I don’t remember if she takes away skill and burst of archons in gameplay, but in lore it should not happen, since Traveller is unaffected
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u/Pristine_Battle_6968 Aug 14 '24
When I first arrived in inazuma, she did infact disable my zhongli
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u/_Resnad_ Aug 14 '24
Well...thats...in gameplay tho...
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u/Pristine_Battle_6968 Aug 14 '24
And gameplay wise Kirby can suck all he wants be he's never moving that map geometry, so we gotta make exceptions sometimes by considering what's a gameplay feat and what's just intentional game design used to prevent players from breaking the game.
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u/_Resnad_ Aug 14 '24
I mean yeah cannon Raiden has like insane speed feats but if they showed that speed fr then we won't be able to follow her lmao
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u/Pristine_Battle_6968 Aug 14 '24
Exactly! If we increase her speed in gameplay she would Just be a PGR or senior boss. We have to consider what gets limited for player convenience otherwise every game becomes unplayable. Imagine DMC but you have no idea what's going on because everyone is too fast
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u/That-Owl-6371 27d ago
There's an MASSIVE difference.
The Kirby one is as you said just an game desing choice to make the game playable.
Raiden's situation however is purely gameplay, with zero lore mentions, contradicts the story(if she can just remove powers without it being just gameplay or just stealing the physical vision, you know the one that characters carry, how the hell was the traveler able to keep the power of the visions? Cuz if her plane just automatically removed the power of visions than the traveler should have lost the boost the very moment they got it) and nothing in the story pointing towards her being able to do it
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u/That-Owl-6371 27d ago
"Also Raiden shogun has an extremely busted domain expansion type shit where she can turn off your abilities"
That was an gameplay only thing representing her stealing visions like she did in the previous scene(since she doesn't turns off the powers of the traveler who lacks one and thus can't get his vision stolen) and to make the player think "AH SHIT I'M SCREWED"
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u/Pristine_Battle_6968 27d ago
Since Venti, xiao and Zhongli can be disabled I'm pretty sure it's not vision based. Also this was 2 weeks ago bro
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u/That-Owl-6371 27d ago
A: I explained why I am pretty sure her plane doesn't work like that in lore
B: I forgot to see the date •>•
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u/_nitro_legacy_ My Glorious Banger ARGUS BANGS the fictional reality Aug 14 '24
Her domain ain't busted tbh it had no affect to the Travelet during their 1v1. And all it does is drags the opponent.
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u/DeusDosTanques That one Genshin scaler Aug 14 '24
Raiden gets blitzed by JJK and it’s not even funny
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u/Pristine_Battle_6968 Aug 14 '24
Unironically she actually solos JJK except debatably mahoraga. And she moves at the speed of lightning in lore but not in game since Noone has the reaction time for that when playing genshin. JJK just gets alot of props for good animation.
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u/DeusDosTanques That one Genshin scaler Aug 14 '24
Where that "speed of lightning" feat?
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u/Pristine_Battle_6968 Aug 14 '24
Bossfight. Still shown to be slower in game but that kinda has to be the way it is because making her faster in game than she already is would just turn her into a Punishing gray raven boss.
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u/_Resnad_ Aug 14 '24
Nope. I'm pretty sure she has high enough ap to get trough everyone in jjk like immediately unless takaba does some crazy shit.
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u/IllustriousSea5998 #1 Goku N’ Gojo glazer Aug 14 '24
Tf, she’s getting folded by gojo OR sukuna alone. I mean, by speed alone she doesn’t have the feats to keep up with them
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u/Pristine_Battle_6968 Aug 14 '24
She can move as fast as lightning, teleport, tear through reality, disable their cursed techniques, domain expansions, and rct, has incredible endurance (can be devoured by the all devouring narwhal and not die, and fought herself for 500 years), and has a domain expansion that disables their passives like cleave and infinity, making sukuna and gojo just some guys who can maybe move fast and hit hard.
Yeah no she solos jjk except debatably mahoraga if she doesn't get far enough for mosou no hitotachi to engulf his body entirely.
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u/IllustriousSea5998 #1 Goku N’ Gojo glazer Aug 14 '24
The her elemental power doesn’t actually translate to her speed, which her speed and durability feats are terrible, and verse equalizations doesn’t even apply since she couldn’t disable the travelers powers
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u/Pristine_Battle_6968 Aug 14 '24
Specifically just the traveler. It works on archons, which don't have visions, and she can still move at lightning speed and can cut reality, shown in her boss fight and the puppet boss fight.
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u/IllustriousSea5998 #1 Goku N’ Gojo glazer Aug 14 '24
Her boss fight doesn’t show that she can move as fast as her element, and if it doesn’t work on the traveler why would it work on other verses
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u/Pristine_Battle_6968 Aug 14 '24
You do not understand how unbelievably thick the travelers plot armor is. We would have died all the way back in mondstadt if we didn't have it. Also remember, gameplay mechanics. Why the hell would they actually make her move 1 to 1 with irl lighting, which Noone would be able to react to. Visualizing her as if she's moving as fast as lightning is the best they can do without turning her into a Punishing grey raven boss.
But some I'm talking about gameplay, she's fodder since her playable version can die to drowning, cold, withering, and fall damage
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u/Ok_Try_1665 Customizable Flair Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24
Hell no lmao. Continental level at best with her "slashing several islands cos of a giant snake" feat. But with the current archons (5 playable, 6th is upcoming with natlan), she's the strongest among them (for now) that showed on screen feats to prove it.
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u/DantefromDC Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24
No, Genshin fans always take the creation hax= AP fallacy.
In their mind, since Raiden created the Plane of Euthymia, a realm full of stars, she should be able to destroy it, making her at least Universal.
But if we took this creation= AP bullshit as absolute truth, JJK would be Planetary due to Yuki's blackhole and Demon Slayer Universal due to infinity castle.
Raiden is Island level, Country if you want to be generous.
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u/_nitro_legacy_ My Glorious Banger ARGUS BANGS the fictional reality Aug 14 '24
Raiden created the Plane of Euthymia, a realm full of stars,
It was the Traveler with 99 vision doing it not Raiden.
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u/X11sRdt High Level Scaler Aug 14 '24
No. Multi-Continent - Planet, yes.
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u/_Resnad_ Aug 14 '24
Wouldn't put her at planet personally. Her biggest dc feat is her destroying a country but if that slash extends more than we see then it might be continental.
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u/X11sRdt High Level Scaler Aug 20 '24
She has relativity to other gods like Morax which Stone Pillars is Multi-Cont, and Orobashi's sheer sized would give him Multi-Cont KE (which speed is consistent for the verse)
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
No lmao, shes country level at best. Neuvilette is currently continental with more power than the whale Who threatnened to destroy teyviat. Neuvilette is currently the strongest character.
But in the entire game? The verse is star level. The great mages created the stars of separate worlds and created múltiple worlds alone.
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u/IllustriousSea5998 #1 Goku N’ Gojo glazer Aug 14 '24
That makes no sense, narratively speaking
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
And since when has powerscaling made sense
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u/IllustriousSea5998 #1 Goku N’ Gojo glazer Aug 14 '24
That’s like saying goku beats grand priest because he has better feats
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
Genshin is one of those verses that dont have set power level or hiearchies other than primordial one>dragons>archons. The mages could be stronger than the unknown god, we dont know.
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u/Pristine_Battle_6968 Aug 14 '24
That's like saying goku is fodder because he said he dies to lava during that one broly fight
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u/tarisoala Mommy Featherine's and Daddy Goku's biggest glazer Aug 14 '24
Goku survives lava
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u/Pristine_Battle_6968 Aug 14 '24
That's just the planets secret orange juice factory.
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u/tarisoala Mommy Featherine's and Daddy Goku's biggest glazer Aug 14 '24
Now that you say it, the lava does look like fanta orange
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u/DeusDosTanques That one Genshin scaler Aug 14 '24
Neuvilette is continental regardless because of his Authority, and manipulating the water level of the entire country is a feat that does scale there iirc, but realistically he has an even wider theoretical range. The whale is definitely not world buster level itself, it would “destroy the world” by basically virtue of reality affecting hax (it is eating one of the fundamental fabrics of Teyvat after all), and it only survived Tartaglia that long because it was immortal due to consuming the primordial sea and constantly regenerating itself.
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u/Opposite_Currency993 Stop the Ligma Aug 14 '24
the whale Who threatnened to destroy teyviat
This is such cap Tartaglia fought that thing for a good while and survived ...
that fish just a tad above the newly born god that Scaramouch was at best not even Raiden level
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u/Entity1080 Aug 14 '24
It could simply have continental durability and just building level AP. Also I don't think it was ever mentioned that the whale "threatened to destroy Teyvat". What Neuvillette said was "even if the entirety of Teyvat were to be destroyed, it could still survive and swim off to some other world". This phrase alone should give the whale continental durability .
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
So? That Just upscales tartaglia. You have no basis scaling him off scaramouche.
If fact, he is comfortably continental because apep could destroy the entirety of sumeru which in lore is the biggest región of teyviat. Also meant to mirror real life southern asía which is continent sized. Neuvilette with full authority couldnt beat the whale and it isnt a fat fetch to say apep was relative to neuvilette, even without his authority.
Raiden is a country level crybaby lmao
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u/Opposite_Currency993 Stop the Ligma Aug 14 '24
So? That Just upscales tartaglia
Oh yes lets upscale the fodder that needed Osial to destroy a mere harbor city while having all his powers to fighting a "continental" being while nerfed get a brain man
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u/DeusDosTanques That one Genshin scaler Aug 14 '24
Tartaglia explicitly grew in strength every time we saw him, also the whale is definitely not continental, but this does get Childe to at the very least island level.
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u/Opposite_Currency993 Stop the Ligma Aug 14 '24
Tartaglia explicitly grew in strength every time we saw him
nothing says he grew in strength to the point he can fight an Osial level god let alone an Archon even by that point
Childe to at the very least island level
Yeah no this is about what Archons have shown so far and nothing not even Scaramouch while amped by the Inazuman Gnosis is there
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
Meh, im highballing like crazy here. The whale was stated to be able to destroy teyviat, you can scale that to country or continent, I dunno
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u/DeusDosTanques That one Genshin scaler Aug 14 '24
It could destroy Teyvat because devouring the whole Primordial Sea has that as a consequence, but it clearly does not have the AP to do so by raw power
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
Hi, youre probably the only genshin scaler in the entire subreddit. So Im highballing the verse when it comes to the playable characters, while yes the whale itself cant do it by raw power, neuvilette still esentially stopped the flood single handedly. It wasnt clear wether it was because he Changed the prophecy, or because his authority over hydro was Just that powerful (considering he literally altered everyones DNA) I dont see a disaster already in place could suddenly be reversed by preventing Its cause to begin with.
So yeah, neuvilette at continental is a Highball, but regardless he should still scale around country level or so. Considering he has complete authority over hydro, and assuming he is relative to the archons.
The complete verse is star level due to celestia being able to create constellations though.
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
The gap between the liyue arc and the Fontaine arc is canonically years. Childe also grew in power.
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u/Opposite_Currency993 Stop the Ligma Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24
nothing says that he's Archon level or something like that and to fight a continental being you have to be around that level
plus he's fighting the fish you claimed to be "confortably continental" while nerfed since he didn't even have a Gnosis and he's 11 of the Fatui a group where only the top 3 are said to be considered on the level of the gods
clear as crystal nothing there is on those levels you claimed you're highballing those characters to high hell
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
Lmao what? The harbingers dont use gnosis. If anything he was nerfed because he didnt have his visión. The only archons confirmed to be in that level are zhongli, venti and ei.
Venti couldnt handle stormterror, signora was pretty damn confident that she could deal with stormterror, then she proceeded to fodderize venti. We have no context on what "as strong as the gods" mean. It could be the salt god, or it could be celestia itself.
Mate, the genshin playable Cast caps at continental, with star level upper beings like celestia (confirmed, im only calling it a highball because it was only stated, not shown) Cant deal with the fact that TARHIMLIA can fight neuvilette.
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u/Opposite_Currency993 Stop the Ligma Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 15 '24
Lmao what? The harbingers dont use gnosis.
I never said Tartaglia did ... you're seeing things it seems maybe thats who you interpret the Genshin lore you get higher than Celestia and then come up with that shit?
also Scaramouch does use a Gnosis wich is what made him a god
and all the non top 3 Fatui are still not on the level of the gods by the lore of the game itself
Venti couldnt handle stormterror
Venti is weakened
he said himself that he was probably the weakest Archon "now" that now means that he was not always that weak
signora was pretty damn confident that she could deal with stormterror
Again context is necessary
then she proceeded to fodderize venti
Who you will be dishonest about ofc as you try to glaze past him saying what he said ...
We have no context on what "as strong as the gods" mean. It could be the salt god, or it could be celestia itself
Ce-Celestia? GET OUT OF HERE LMAO you're fucking trolling me it cant be you said such nonsense with a straight face 🤣
also the Chinese version of the game says same as you say "Archon" in Chinese according to a Chinese fan i met years ago idk Chinese so i cant confirm this but you can feel free to check i dont care enough either since nothing is putting any of these mid filths were talking about even nearly around the 4 shades ...
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
Scaramouche doesnt use a gnosis. That was a Machíne dottore specifically created to be able to harness Its power. The gnosis doesnt change the archon's power, venti doesnt know Jack shit and isnt aware anything other than mondstat. He is unreliable, hell he was wrong to begin with because hes stronger than Nahida and focalors, which were both weak as hell.
Zhongli, ei and venti were pulling off the same caliber of feats during the archon war and so far, only zhongli is shown to be withering away. And yeah, signora fucked up venti, he couldnt even fight back. I never said the harbingers were stronger than celestia, I said it can vary from the salt god to celestia, using your Own logic. Because they are all gods.
I dont think the chinese versión says that, but you can check yourself, I dont care enough to do so. Celestia is star level, I dont know why youre arguing this fight when the game itself told us.
Harbinger ranks were only ranked by power when the game started, but now we have childe Who is relative to neuvilette, despite neuvilette being pretty confident that he could judge other gods.
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u/Opposite_Currency993 Stop the Ligma Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24
Scaramouche doesnt use a gnosis. That was a Machíne dottore specifically created to be able to harness Its power
Its still what boosted the only one out of the top 3 Fatui that is said to be on the level of the gods
The gnosis doesnt change the archon's power
It literally made Scaramouch a god
hell he was wrong to begin with because hes stronger than Nahida
You dont know this
and focalors
And this is total batshit insanity scaling Focalors doesnt scale low Furina does
I never said the harbingers were stronger than celestia
You claimed they could be near that level wich is NLF
I said it can vary from the salt god to celestia, using your Own logic. Because they are all gods.
you high balled to high regardless plus anyone can kill a normal god Beidou did it and so did small Shenhe ...
I dont think the chinese versión says that
Idk either just telling you what i got told
but you can check yourself
I don't speak Mandarín so ... no best i can do is Japanese Voicelines wich was just as vague as the English one and said "Kamigami"
Celestia is star level, I dont know why youre arguing this fight when the game itself told us.
I don't remember that but you have claimed too many highballs as a matter of fact i will send a screenshot later that says the Narwal was gonna destroy a nation not Teyvat
hope you have the source for that claim btw ...
Celestia as a whole could be star level but everyone in it individually ... idk
Harbinger ranks were only ranked by power when the game started, but now we have childe Who is relative to neuvilette
Hell no man! i will debunk this too with a screenshot that states clearly that "The Narwal used up most of his power against Neuvi and Traveler" meaning that it has barely used any power against Childe
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u/Opposite_Currency993 Stop the Ligma Aug 14 '24
the most of its power fighting you claim
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u/rds07 Aug 14 '24
and all the non top 3 Fatui are still not on the level of the gods by the lore of the game itself
They are, nahida said it herself and also narratively it's implied capitano can rival the archons
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u/Visible_Ad_7540 Aug 14 '24
This Tartaglia was exhausted from Foul Legacy using her minutes and still felt the effects a few days later.
Tartaglia mentions in Inazuma that he trains and gets stronger every day.
Tartaglia fought in Fontaine for more than 45 days without a break in his Foul legacy form. This alone indicates a ridiculous leap in strength.
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u/Opposite_Currency993 Stop the Ligma Aug 14 '24
Nah Skirk said this
meaning it just jogged with Tartaglia plus she also said it eats a lot so it cant fight that long without taking breaks either
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u/Visible_Ad_7540 Aug 14 '24
In the battle with the Traveler and Neuv, the Narwhal was nerfed and disconnected from the Primordial Sea, while in the 45 day battle it was not.
Neuv also mentioned that Childe had been holding back the Narwhal all these days.
He is also shown to be able to injure him. So it's still an upscale Childe
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u/Opposite_Currency993 Stop the Ligma Aug 14 '24
Again it's not going for 45 days non stop the creature has to eat meaning that it does activities
plus where are you getting that it's 45 days? I hope it's in-game or cannon
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u/Visible_Ad_7540 Aug 14 '24
Travelers sentence was 45 days, Childe disappeared before traveler came to fortress of meropide, and the whale came out after traveler's sentence was over. So it was at least 45 days.
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u/Opposite_Currency993 Stop the Ligma Aug 14 '24
Fair enough still has to eat "a lot" so it doesn't mean 45 days non stop
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u/Pretend_Champion_142 Not a Scaler Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24
No, absolutely fucking not. Genshin is currently capped at continental level at best, and that's already a high estimate since there's no solid proof or feats to support it.
Raiden's feats include killing a serpent god and slicing three islands in the process as a god. She can control lightning all over Teyvat, though I don't think that's a scalable feat.
Neuvillette has no feats that put him above the Archons, let alone at the continental level, and claiming dragons are above Archons is just headcanon coping. That whale isn't doing anything to Teyvat or Fontaine. The whole point of the whale is to devour primordial water that causes the sea level to rise, which would drown Fontaine. Its destruction is a byproduct that takes a very long time to happen.
Morax created Guyun Stone Forest island after sealing countless gods during the Archon War, meaning this island-level feat was done over a long period not just in a single battle that everyone likes to think.
Genshin is all about statements and no feats. The top three Harbingers are Archon-level (which is debatable), but the remaining members below the top three don't even have god-level feats.
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u/_nitro_legacy_ My Glorious Banger ARGUS BANGS the fictional reality Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24
What????
Huh who told you?
No vs wiki even put genshin characters past planet level
I glaze Ei and hell in no way she's past that.
Even Traveler who I glaze the most in their prime strength is the highest I could think off is multi continental but higher than neuvilette. Tell me who told you. I need to commit arson
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u/Slight_Wait5853 Aug 13 '24
Genshin Is a Island Level Fodder Verse.
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u/Pristine_Battle_6968 Aug 14 '24
Cuts several islands in half, has domain expansion that can turn of other abilities, passives and hax, can vaporize people
Fodder
Bruh
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u/Gullible-Educator582 Residential Kirby Scaler Aug 14 '24
vaporization is a tier 9 feat, were the islands cut in 1 motion, and that's just hax
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u/IllustriousSea5998 #1 Goku N’ Gojo glazer Aug 14 '24
The ability negations didn’t work on people without visions
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u/Pristine_Battle_6968 Aug 14 '24
They work on zhongli, venti and xiao, who don't use their visions or don't have any. So yes, it does work on them. I don't know about Neuvillette or Nahida since the locking of abilities happens only when you first encounter her and they came out long after inazuma.
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u/IllustriousSea5998 #1 Goku N’ Gojo glazer Aug 14 '24
It didn’t work on the traveler so it shouldn’t work on ppl outside the verse
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u/Pristine_Battle_6968 Aug 14 '24
It works on every other character, ones that don't have visions like zhongli and venti still get locked despite not having vision. Plus the traveler would have still lost to her if Yae didn't come to tell Ei to chill out
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u/Slight_Wait5853 Aug 14 '24
Stop protecting your Fictional waifu, Also It's a Fodder/Weak Feat.
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u/Pristine_Battle_6968 Aug 14 '24
I don't even like her bro. Her story is c tier at best and I only like her because she's good in dendro teams. Sort of. Kuki better tho
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24
Star level, the hezenzkeil created stars.
Edit:I like how im getting downvoted even though this was literally confirmed in the most recent event
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u/ReadySource3242 Aug 14 '24
Isn’t the sky fake or something
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
Thats a theory, Its also only in the main dimensión of teyviat, simulanka is separate
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u/Entity1080 Aug 14 '24
If you're talking about the stars in Simulanka then yes, the mages did create them. But they were small enough to be carried by the traveller (because we had to put the stars back in the sky using the train. Unless I'm interpreting it wrong). As for the stars of Teyvat, no the mages did not create them. The stars were created by Celestia inorder to make constellations to control the fate of people. This was confirmed in Neuvillette's story. Also if I remember correctly, didn't Before Sun and Moon say that he created a firmament to cover Teyvat?
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
No no, the little mini star shaped orbs isnt what Alice was talking about. Those were Just toys. The skies of simulanka have actual stars, and they created múltiple worlds as well.
Simulanka is separate from teyviat, albeit Its still a Real place.
Also, I never said the mages created anything in teyviat, that was celestia. Regardless still scales them to star level though. "the sky is fake" thing is Just a theory, and it doesnt mean that the sky is quite literally fake, it means that the World of teyviat is upside down and that the real "sky" is Under them. When did sun and moon say that Btw?
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u/Entity1080 Aug 14 '24
No no, the little mini star shaped orbs isnt what Alice was talking about. Those were Just toys. The skies of simulanka have actual stars, and they created múltiple worlds as well.
Ah that makes sense. Although it's hard to determine how "big" these world's are. For all we know they could be as big as a planet or a country.
Simulanka is separate from teyviat, albeit Its still a Real place.
Isn't Simulanka inside a book? So is it really a "real" place or is it just some sort of pocket dimension?
Also, I never said the mages created anything in teyviat, that was celestia. Regardless still scales them to star level though. "the sky is fake" thing is Just a theory, and it doesnt mean that the sky is quite literally fake, it means that the World of teyviat is upside down and that the real "sky" is Under them. When did sun and moon say that Btw?
By saying sky is fake, they mean that a firmament is covering the entire planet. The sky is outside of the firmament. The upside down world is just a theory. The existence of a firmament is confirmed here :
"On Phanes, or The Primordial One" The Primordial One may have been Phanes. It had wings and a crown, and was birthed from an egg, androgynous in nature. But for the world to be created, the egg's shell had to be broken. However, Phanes, the Primordial One, used the eggshell to separate the "universe" and the "microcosm of the world." -Before Sun and Moon
This here implies that the primordial one used a "shell" or a firmament to seperate the "microcosm" which is Teyvat from the universe which lies outside.
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
Oh, alright. You put it perfectly. And yeah simulanka is an actual place and not Just inside a book story, in the first región of simulanka, they Questioned the same and confirmed that it actually did exist in the real World.
Im highballing like crazy here Btw, this is to say the stars were actually real, and this is to say that the mages did it all themselves.
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u/Lycoris4812 Rimuru Solo’s Your Favorite Verse. Aug 13 '24
I don’t think so. Maybe in the distance future.
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u/_Resnad_ Aug 14 '24
No lmao. Continental at most and if you wank her like crazy then multi continental but yeah even as a Raiden main she ain't that strong. I myself consider her country level
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u/deadpoolc1 The Doctor Who Guy Aug 14 '24
I don't think it's true
Maybe genshin become stronger in future
But genshin is more like at best planet level
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
Star level
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u/deadpoolc1 The Doctor Who Guy Aug 14 '24
How?
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
Because Alice and the great mages created stars. The current summer event heavily upscaled the verse
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Aug 14 '24
Real stars != magical stars created by gods. I don't think you realize how much of a jump star level is LMAO. It's like saying Radhan is galactic.
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24
They work like real stars though. The travelers have witnessed stars go supernova and die
The genshin playable Cast doesnt hold shit to the lore Cast, lore had some People creating entire worlds and im pretty sure celestia made entire constellations. You scale that yourself.
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Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24
Lil bro do you know what a super nova is? trust me and look at some of the numbers related to Supernovae.
10 to power 44 joules of energy. that's 10 with 44 zeros, We don't even have a fucking number for that. Enough radiation to kill all life within 20 light years. or 189214609451616 kilometers.
Edit: I removed some shit to make it sound less "edgy"
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
I bet everything im older than you, ngl.
Its clear you dont play or have scaled genshin, celestia literally created constellations Just for the vision holders dawg. You dont realize how big the power gap between the genshin gods and the playable Cast is.
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Aug 14 '24
Maybe I overhyped the stars a bit. In seriously, you can't consider creationist universe feats with our universe. the scale difference is massive, I had this same argument with a LOTR fan. Also I am older than you for sure, Genshin and the game in your profile pick are late genz/early gen alpha games.
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
So? So.. If a 40 year old has a elden ring pfp then it means theyre Young? Dont really see what youre tryna say here. Regardless, you cant apply real life logic to fiction.
This would make múltiple feats, like goku being able to destroy the universe, not applicable. If someone is shown creating or destroying something then they scale to it. Especially celestia, Who created entire CONSTELLATIONS. So me saying Its star level is a severe lowball.
Im not even wanking the playable characters man, those are fodder. We havent even seen these characters, im just going off what the lore has told us.
And yeah. I know the scale difference is massive, but while powerscaling, you ignore these things. Because Its fiction.
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u/DeusDosTanques That one Genshin scaler Aug 14 '24
Raiden is country level realistically, but dies to a lot of weaker verses because Genshin has little to no speed feats. You could perhaps get them to supersonic or low hypersonic with incredible amounts of wank, and any attempt at lightning scaling is inaccurate and disproven because elemental energy don’t work exactly the way the way the element manifests in nature.
Durability is also very iffy, you’d need to upscale her based on Traveller feats, since that’s basically the only character taking hits in this game (it’s sad but it’s true). Because of these lack of hard feats, you can even argue DS verse can beat her, which is kinda funny.
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u/Alien_Senpai_ Aug 14 '24
Raiden has the ability to teleport
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u/DeusDosTanques That one Genshin scaler Aug 14 '24
With a huge ass cast time and her fodder reaction speed but yes
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u/LinkGreat7508 🎶 I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING🎶 Aug 14 '24
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u/Sad-Mission6754 Aug 14 '24
From what we've seen, Raiden is continental level. Slicing the islands of Inazuma (with one slash, we don't exactly know what would happen if she went crazy) shows that. I also don't remember if she had the gnosis at that point or not, so it is also possible that the Inazuma slice was only one cut while not at her strongest. I think the most generous scaling would be multicontinental, but we don't really know for sure. Yes, I know this sounds like I'm overhyping her compared to everyone else, but still, multiversal is an absurd claim.
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u/Wise_Victory4895 Madoka steps on your verse Aug 14 '24
I heard that this whale thing is planetary
This is the highest I've ever seen the verse scaled to
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u/Murky_Blueberry2617 Hebi Sasuke is Universal+ frfr Aug 14 '24
Definitely not. She's island level maybe country level, anything above that is wank.
Not even the Honkai Raiden's scale that high
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u/CorrectFrame3991 Low Level Scaler Aug 14 '24
I’m pretty sure one of the best feats in the verse is only about island level.
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
What feat are you talking about?
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u/CorrectFrame3991 Low Level Scaler Aug 14 '24
The island cutting slash from Raiden. I’m pretty sure it has been calced at only around the double digit gigatons, which is island level.
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u/natediffer least delusional homelander glazer Aug 14 '24
You mean the Island we see ingame? You cant apply that, the ingame teyviat is a heavily down scaled version of the real lore one. The ingame feat is Island level, yeah. But in lore Its most likely a country level feat considering Its meant to mirror real life japan.
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u/Mr-FLORIDA Archon of Sovereigns Aug 14 '24
Not at all. With feats alone she’s island lvl, small country lvl for sealing Inazuma from Teyvat
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u/fiLth_Rat Anti-feat toucher Aug 14 '24
Guaranteed to lose a fight with an electro slime if arsenal is restricted to her island splitting god katana.
"Low multi"
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u/Kataphraktoz Aug 14 '24
Raiden fuck no, Alice might be, that woman not only seems to be able to travel to parallel universes, she created a whole universe
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u/mr-rando423 Aug 14 '24
So she's Universal? Also, why doesn't Raiden scale to Alice? Because from what I understand, her being one of the 7 gods should put her above most other characters.
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u/Kataphraktoz Aug 14 '24
Unironically for the archons to be called gods are a fucking joke, the hexenzirkel have people capable of true god like powers
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u/mr-rando423 Aug 14 '24 edited Aug 14 '24
Here's what I understand about Genshin Impact scaling
Basically all of the playable are capable of defeating Dvalin, who created a planet wide storm that was calced at Small Planet level
Dvalin is more than likely comparable to Cloud Retainer, who created a pocket dimension with a moon inside of it, which would put her in Large Planet level
Then there are the Archons, who are each capable of creating pocket dimensions full of stars, which would be Multi-Solar System level at worse
As for speed, all of the playable characters should be Sub-Relativistic, since they're all capable of dodging Dvalin's winds, which have been calced at traveling 17926807.4 miles per hour
Am I off base with any of this, or does all of this check out?
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