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u/BitesTheDust55 Aug 22 '24
Tarnished is probably strong enough to do it in an hour or two of attempts. If Ongbal is piloting, then Tarnished one shots and Goku is COOKED.
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u/JWARRIOR1 Wizard101 protagonist soloes your favorite verse Aug 22 '24
rare ongbal mention.
Common ongbal W
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u/Extremearron Bean soup. Aug 22 '24
Depends if goku is in a chamber, Or the regular dragon ball world.
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u/PriceUnpaid Not a Scaler Aug 22 '24
I think it would have to be Spongebob unless the Tarnished gets stronger/better between each match
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 22 '24
The hole point of the tarnished is that he learns your moveset until you can’t even hit him getting better and better each death.
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u/SageTheLightningGuy sans undertale solos your favorite verse!! Aug 22 '24
Well APPARENTLY it takes 30 billion spongebobs to beat Goku, so i think tarnished takes it because my guy gotta have it in that amount of time
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u/milk_lizard73 Aug 22 '24
Bro it does not take that many spongebobs to beat goku. Maybe like 20 would do it.
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u/PriceUnpaid Not a Scaler Aug 22 '24
I guess? But how much does "learn moveset" matter if you get speedblitz anyway?
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 22 '24
Tarnished can adapt to any speed and has invincibility frames from dodging so he can survive long enough to adapt to the speed in low ball 20 attempts imo.
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u/PriceUnpaid Not a Scaler Aug 22 '24
Huh, really? Then I guess it comes down to whether or not enough waves of Spongebobs spawn in within those 20 attempts
I swear I keep hearing about how strong X character in a video game is, but then I play that game and they are complete fodder in my hands. I should not be talking about game scaling if I am always so off base
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 22 '24
Well it’s a video game the scaling is most based on lore you can get hit by a skeleton but be able to dodge promised consort radahns light speed attacks and tank black holes and meteors.
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u/PriceUnpaid Not a Scaler Aug 22 '24
Yeah, it's wild when in game the character feels useless but apparently they are big deals in lore. Lore marines vs tabletop marines come to mind from 40k. (Not that they are bad on TT just that they are far below lore in a lot of match ups)
I do wonder how characters would scale based of gameplay. But I guess that depends too much on the player
Scale any video game character from my performance with them and see how their scaling tanks to wall level at most lmao
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u/MisterEskere_ Aug 22 '24
It will lean all the goku moves so yes it will get stronger.
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u/PriceUnpaid Not a Scaler Aug 22 '24
Do you mean learn how Goku moves or learn how to use Goku's moves?
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 22 '24
Learn Gokus moves. Tarnished has invincibility when he dodges so once he learns all Gokus moves he basically becomes invincible and can chip away at him.
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u/PriceUnpaid Not a Scaler Aug 22 '24
Okay, I really have no idea how strong Tarnished is. Seems like the previous guy I talked about it was way lowballing him
Well I haven't played ER so I guess that is to be expected
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u/MisterEskere_ Aug 22 '24
He is the main character of souls games. He basically kills gods just by skill.
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 22 '24
Not the main character of souls games just Elden ring. Ashen one is dark souls and hunter for bloodborne
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 22 '24
Not to mention if tarnished used death blight it would probably half his attempts.
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u/DastardlyDoctor Aug 22 '24
Tarnished is invincible for ! Fraction of a second when dodging. A Kamehameha lasts longer than the dodge roll, can hit faster than the start up frames, and can be actively redirected while traveling. The tarnished will NEVER harm Goku. But the SpongeBob will eventually get him on numbers and durability.
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 22 '24
Death blite
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u/DastardlyDoctor Aug 22 '24
There is no relevant method to afflict Goku as he can just park himself completely out of range of the tarnished and obliterate them and the battlefield as nauseum.
There is a hard limit to the combat effectiveness of a single tarnished, and that limit is no where near enough to affect Goku. Horah Loux could shake the earth, Goku has to try NOT to destroy the planet just by fighting.
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 22 '24
Goku died to a heart virus in another time line scarlet rot would destroy Goku.
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u/DastardlyDoctor Aug 22 '24
Again. Goku can just outrange it, or just outright dodge any of the tarnished slow, heavily telegraphed attacks. It's not a manner of skill or tactics. It's just numbers.
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u/metalshiflet Aug 22 '24
Comet Azur is in game though, that's an awful argument
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u/DastardlyDoctor Aug 22 '24
Comet azure is slow, unidirectional,Narrow, can only be cast from a single plane, and a whole bunch of other limitations. It can't even alter the terrain. It's literally my spiration for using the Kamehameha wave. Because Comet Azur is objectively dogshit in comparison with its inspiration. Solely due to game mechanics of ourse, but that's the argument presented.
That shit can't even blow up the moon.
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u/Potential_Base_5879 Aug 22 '24
Tarnished does not need mutliversal whatever dumb dumb scaling.
Goku died to a heart virus.
Scarlet rot his ass to death.
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u/Strict_Variation_705 Aug 22 '24
Nah man let bro cook. That is honestly one of the best takes I have ever seen.
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 22 '24
Or death blite
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u/Potential_Base_5879 Aug 22 '24
I didn't include deathblight because it's only been seen to affect humans, and the tarnished doesn't have very good ways of applying it to goku.
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 22 '24
There is literally a death blite sickle and if it worked on a demigod it would work on Goku He almost died to a heart decease.
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u/Potential_Base_5879 Aug 22 '24
Yes, but demigod's genetics aren't meaningfully different from a humans, they can still be poisoned, ect. Scarlet rot on the other hand can infect erdtree avatars and the like. In any case I believe goku could dodge a sickles, but traps like saint of the bud is more in character for goku to charge through.
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 22 '24
Scarlet rot works on the mother of fingers which is canonically an alien. And genetics not being meaningfully different to humans tell that to radahn or mohg
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u/Quirky_Ad_2164 Aug 22 '24
He could use his barrier to block its effects
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u/Potential_Base_5879 Aug 22 '24
his what?
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u/Quirky_Ad_2164 Aug 22 '24
The barrier he used vs one of the universe 9 members to block their poison.
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u/Potential_Base_5879 Aug 23 '24
yeah but he has no idea what scarlet rot is and he never uses it normally.
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u/ZealousidealPipe8389 Aug 22 '24
Tarnished, there are two ways this goes, the non-canon way is you say SpongeBob has his joke abilities and can unravel space-time. which is lame. The actual canon way this would go is SpongeBob is too weak to lift a teddy bear, and has been shown to be very easily defeated with heat. the tarnished i don’t know much about, but if they have even a minuscule fraction of the chosen undeads power is isn’t inconceivable that they would be capable of killing goku, especially with infinite retries, where goku stays the same every time and the tarnished adapts.
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u/Opposite_Currency993 Stop the Ligma Aug 22 '24 edited Aug 22 '24
the real question is can the Tarnished beat a single Sponge Bob if devs design the fight so he can't win? thats far bellow Gokuversal so i dont think he will do much
Goku is not even written by anyone anymore he writes his own fights stacked against himself and he still wins
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u/Vegetable-League-633 Aug 22 '24
SpongeBob is canonically immune to punches, so SpongeBob wave 1 could last indefinitely, meaning i guess tarnished wins after years of dying
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 22 '24
Sponge bob isint immune to punches it’s just that underwater punches don’t do anything that’s why mantis shrimp exist.
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u/Vegetable-League-633 Aug 22 '24
Easily disproven: season 3 episode 3 "the bully" is completely predicated on the fact that SpongeBob (unaware of his punch immunity) is afraid of being punched. There are also examples of physical violence being effective underwater in the show (i.e s3e8 "no weenies allowed" where Patrick beats himself up quite effectively) so there is no reason to believe that SpongeBob is not immune to punches (or to be more technical, bludgeoning damage)
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u/the_OG_epicpanda Aug 22 '24
The first spongebob destroys Goku, speed so fast even the cameraman can't keep up. definition of speed blitz.
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u/Strange_Position7970 Aug 22 '24
The endless waves of SpongeBob will beat him faster. One SpongeBob alone can solo DBS.
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u/notapornacc101 Aug 22 '24
Can't Goku just hakai the tarnished and erase him from existence to keep him from coming back?
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 22 '24
That would work until he learns the tell for that attack and dodges.
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u/notapornacc101 Aug 22 '24
Yea but if he gets hit by it once, that's it, no more tries. It erases u from existence and every single timeline, meaning he couldn't just respawn
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 22 '24
Hakai doesn’t erase you from every timeline zamasu literally gets hakaied in their timeline but is still there in trunks one. As for what it actually does which is destroying the soul death blite also destroys the soul and the tarnished comes back from that.
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u/New_Ad4631 Aug 22 '24
The tarnished also comes back from dying to Maliketh, who yields the rune of death that gives permanent death. Basically a hakai
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u/notapornacc101 Aug 22 '24
Complete existence erasure throughout the entire multiverse > permanent death. It's not really comparable
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u/New_Ad4631 Aug 22 '24
Zamasu got deleted by Beerus and he was still well in Trunks timeline. It isn't 'complete existence erasure throughout the entire multiverse'. Don't argue with Dragon Ball fans, we don't watch the show
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u/notapornacc101 Aug 22 '24
That zamasu was protected by the time ring that he stole. Ur right, u haven't watched the show
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u/notapornacc101 Aug 22 '24
The only reason that zamasu wasn't erased was because he stole a time ring that gave him protection. And hakai isn't just destroying the soul, it's complete existence erasure. And I did a decent amount of digging and couldn't find any source for soul blight destroying your soul, just that its a disease that comes from the rune of death, but maybe I didn't dig hard enough. Either way, hakai is on a different tier of erasure for sure.
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 22 '24
How does the time ring negate ee. Death blite killed godwins soul but his body still remained there’s really deep lore with that.
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u/notapornacc101 Aug 22 '24
They don't say exactly how the time ring protects him as far as I can remember, it just does. I would assume it has something to do with while he's wearing it, he exists in a place unaffected by time meaning he couldn't die but I'm not 100% sure without going back to those episodes to check.
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 22 '24
But tarnished is unaffected by time too he doesn’t age and can literally fight plasidisax that literally hides in the past.
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u/notapornacc101 Aug 22 '24
So after digging a bit it seems that hakai won't work on someone that has a truly immortal body, and zamasu used the time ring to give himself that. Tarnished doesn't have a truly immortal body, he just has the power to resurrect endlessly as far as my knowledge goes. Meaning there's no reason to believe hakai wouldn't work
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 22 '24
Truly immoral means unkillable which would meant that the tarnished fits that description perfectly. And going by your logic if he gets erased he could just resurrect.
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u/Dense-Song3172 Aug 22 '24
SpongeBob can manipulate reality, change his form, enter dreams, and is completely immortal (removing his skeleton/skin, or turning him into a puddle doesn't even phase him, he absorbs punches and kicks too and they just tickle) I think 10 SpongeBob's could take Goku.
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u/aluriilol Aug 22 '24
Uh Spongebobs get out of hand pretty quick. Question: do each of these spongebobs know Ka-Ra-Tay?
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u/HotDogManLL Aug 22 '24
Tarnished. He'll land some blows on. Goku that he'll bleed
Spongebob just gonna tucker goku out
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u/Thales225 Aug 24 '24
Couldn’t good just not kill either and it goes on forever because neither are canonically strong enough to kill Goku
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u/Ok-Use5246 Aug 22 '24
Tarnished is baseline multiversal with Relvatistic speed and scarlet rot that ignores gokus durability. Takes it handily.
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u/Strange_Position7970 Aug 22 '24
Tarnished isn't multiversal.
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u/Purple_Money_4536 Aug 22 '24
Lore wise he may be but for me he’s a shit head who can’t hit anything
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u/Xcyronus Infinity + Unlimited void Diff Aug 22 '24
relativistic? bro would not even see goku
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 22 '24
Tarnished can dodge radahns light speed attacks and copy the same move when you defeat him so tarnished don’t have a speed cap.
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u/XDpappa Outerversal Yoriichi solos your favorite verse Aug 22 '24
Even if the first line was true, he would still be weaker than Goku, and Goku can easily shield himself from the rot just like against Lavender
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u/LillPeng27 Aug 22 '24
He died to heart disease so it might work
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u/XDpappa Outerversal Yoriichi solos your favorite verse Aug 22 '24
Yeah it would most likely work if it hit him, but my point is that Goku can protect himself from it
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u/LillPeng27 Aug 22 '24
Oh yeah ig so, if it hit him it would probably kill him though or get close to, but idk if it could since he’s so fast
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u/BlackBoisBeyond Aug 22 '24
Am I falling for bait or are people actually wanking the tarnished this hard. I don't see how even in a trillion years from now the tarnished ever gets close to doing anything to goku. Goku massively outscales the tarnished in every category. It doesn't matter that the tarnished has infinite time to kill goku, he's literally never going to react to goku or ever survive an attack by goku. I have got to be taking these comments too seriously there's no way this post isn't bait for morons like me. Right?
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 23 '24
He doesn’t need to tank if he has invincibility dodges.
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u/BlackBoisBeyond Aug 23 '24
I legit can't tell if you're trolling. Tarnished is not reacting to gokus speed, he enters the arena and instantly dies with no time to react at all.
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 23 '24
Tarnished can adapt to any speed he can dodge black hole attacks and light speed attacks in the dlc.
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u/BlackBoisBeyond Aug 23 '24 edited Aug 23 '24
Let's say tarnished can dodge light speed attacks. I truly don't believe that for a second but I'll give it to you, goku is at least MFTL+ if not faster. The tarnished is not adapting to that sorry. It's so imperceptibly fast that the tarnished will never have a chance to do anything.
In this scenario he has no avenue for getting stronger except experience, experience is not making up the massive speed difference ever, plus goku is a combat genius and a training junkie you think gokus just going to stagnate while the tarnished gets stronger.
Also lets say he can react to his speed which he would literally never btw, how is ever going to tank a hit from goku, him and beerus sent universal destroying ripples in clash at the beginning of super and its been at least 4 years in universe since that. I truly don't believe tarnished has anything that can tank that hit, even being generous saying opaline bubble tear can make the tarnished survive a single hit after that hit it's over.
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 23 '24
Tarnished can adapt to any speed that’s the wold point and once he learns Gokus moveset then his power means nothing when Goku can’t hit him. The tarnished has 100% damage negation shields and death blite and scarlet rot that would cook Goku since he died from a heart virus in another timeline.
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u/BlackBoisBeyond Aug 23 '24
Yeah I'm done talking about this, there's no way you aren't rage baiting me.
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u/thelongestunderscore Aug 22 '24
Can someone give me a reason goku isn't just gonna fly up and destroy the planet. Against the tarnished that is.
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 22 '24
The tarnished would just come back for another try?
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u/thelongestunderscore Aug 22 '24
How would he respond if goku destroyed the planet.
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u/Live_Ad_7806 Aug 22 '24
Radahn cun jump into space for his meteor attack so the tarnished can as well. But Goku would never destroy his own planet where the fight takes place. He didn’t even do it with moro.
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