r/PowerScaling • u/ImpressionAlarmed167 • 26d ago
Apparently the common consensus on twitter is that Asura is Stronger than the Doom Slayer Games
Theres a Handful of people defending Doom Slayer in the comments but everybody seems to think that because Asura fights people that throw galaxies he scales above Doom Slayer. Seems like a common case of people getting confused over DC vs Ap
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u/Snoo54601 26d ago
Asura is more impressive just looking at the stuff he does
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u/HellBoyofFables 25d ago
Even his feat against wyzen already tops most feats and that’s one of the first few bosses
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u/ImpressionAlarmed167 26d ago
Again yeah of course he is but nothing he actually does is higher than uni+.
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u/Snoo54601 26d ago
Well you can get him to low multi actually but that's not the point
I'm just saying that to a regular person looking in asura is way more impressive
You show gameplay of asura doom guy and Kratos
Most People would pick asura as the strongest
It's all about presentation
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u/Murky_Blueberry2617 Hebi Sasuke is Universal+ frfr 26d ago
Facts. Feats >>> Statements
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u/Unfair_Draft_7302 26d ago
Considering both come from the writter, both are equally valid as with feats, the writter bothered to show, and with statements the writter decided to tell. Unless feats contradict statements, (in which case you have to look at continuity) both are equally valid.
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u/Noktis_Lucis_Caelum 26d ago
Well, asura destroyed ghoma Carriers. With His fists. These Things we're thousands of Kilometers Big.
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u/ImpressionAlarmed167 26d ago
Doom Slayer killed the creator of the multiverse. Each universe Is infinite in size in Doom. On top of creating hell which is also infinite.
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u/Odd_Mongoose3175 26d ago
killed the creator of the multiverse
How did he kill him exactly and how fast is Doomslayer?
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u/Rogal_Dorn_30000 26d ago
He killed him by making him unconsensually die
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u/Odd_Mongoose3175 25d ago
did he have to utilise a certain hax or ?
Cus some multiversal characters can be glass cannon for example
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u/tristenjpl 25d ago
He shot him. With bullets infused with his power and then stabbed him with his wrist blade. It's not a very impressive looking fight and relies on the whole "Yeah, he created the multiverse, so he has infinite amounts of strength, speed and power, which means Doomslayer also has those because he beat him." Kind of argument. Nothing about the fight is impressive other than the fact that the people fighting are supposed to be multiversal or whatever.
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u/HellBoyofFables 25d ago
Still more believable than Kratos imo 🤷♂️
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u/tristenjpl 25d ago
I don't believe 90% of the shit people say about Kratos either. Does he get his ftl scaling or whatever from a guy that was hit by a catapult made by humans?
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u/HellBoyofFables 25d ago
No Idea, atleast doom slayer actually fought the creator so atleast there some foundation to work from while I think for Kratos it’s mostly statements and certain moments if you squint hard enough
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u/AtomicSekiro_ 24d ago
“With bullets infused with his power”
This is a fancanon. Nowhere in the games does it ever imply he can do this.
His guns are just normal guns. If he could do that, he wouldn’t have needed a city sized BFG to put a hole in mars— he would’ve just willed his pistol to be as strong as it.
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u/ButterscotchWide9489 25d ago
If they had legit multiversal durability that'd be fine, if you beat up superman, you are strong, regardless of if it looks impressive
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u/tristenjpl 25d ago
Depends. If I shoot Superman with anti-Superman bullets that have the power to harm Superman but are otherwise regular bullets, it's not much of a feat. But Superman should be dodging bullets as soon as he learns they're anti-Superman bullets. So if he's getting hit with them, it's a pretty big anti feat.
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u/ButterscotchWide9489 25d ago
Sure, you have to look at context
But the baseline assumption if someone punches superman is they have superman level strength
Even if it only wrecks a building
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u/SomeGuyM99 25d ago
Actually according to the lore doom slayer is this primordial being brought into existence to fight, he will grow as strong as he needs to be to kill and maim. Dude is a god of:
“sure you have nice hacks but fuck you”
So yeah, doom guys solos.
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u/ImpressionAlarmed167 26d ago
murder? i have him at infinite speed also why tf i get downvotes ????
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u/holiestMaria 26d ago edited 26d ago
Doomslayer is immeasurable based on statements regarding seraphim.
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u/Odd_Mongoose3175 25d ago
immeasurable/infinite kinda lost its meaning in fiction, so u gotta have a lot of proof to back that up
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u/holiestMaria 25d ago edited 25d ago
The serapahim are able to wing through creation ,which exists out of infinite timelines and infinite universes. Doomslayer fought a seraphim and kept up.
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u/Southern-Advance-759 I solo fiction fr 26d ago
Well technically Asura also killed the creator of the multiverse, where chakravartin creates many universes with his bare hands against asura. Also it depends on growth potential of ds > asura or ds<asura.
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u/MrCobalt313 26d ago
He did it after binding said creator into a physical form that was basically just a copy of him that then put on some power armor.
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u/SpartanCobalt 26d ago
Doom Slayer had to force Davoth (was that his name?) to take physical form in order to kill him. He couldn't have done anything to him otherwise.
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u/providerofair 26d ago
Asura also killed the creator of his universe and he made his universe and multiple others he even made different dimension during his fight and stopped time which ausra broke dimension and moved past time stop
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u/PhoonTFDB Vile Bayle! I will riddle your rotten hide! 26d ago
And Asura did the same thing. In base form. With his fists.
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u/Apart_Software_4118 25d ago
That doesn't prove anything. He could create shit but besides that he needed a mech suit to do anything. His whole thing is that he's on life support.
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u/ZZVXI 25d ago
I don’t know man, “the creator/dark lord” in doom seems like a massive lorewankman with 0.5 feats and 666 antifeats; How is the creator of the universe-multiverse able to die just by getting stabbed through the heart by a magic-tech weapon. I dunno folks, doom lore big G God sounds like some fodder tier multiverse creator. He’s like, compared to other mythologies’ capital Gs he just seems like a high tier reality manipulator.
Meanwhile, Wukong fought all of heaven in his legend, heaven that contains Buddhas (they’re generally seen as true omnipotents, consensus in vsbattles is that dharma buddhas are boundless, or at least, between 1-A top dogs being Tier 0) Nearly won, only lost when top dog Gautama buddha said “no, learn your place, monkey” stripped him of his powers and sent him down to earth, lmao
If this is composite sun wukong, at the end of journey to the west he achieves buddhahood, enlightenment and transcendence effectively earning his place shoulder to shoulder with the buddhas (tier 1-A+)
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u/Altruistic-Rough-922 25d ago
Every weapon of doomguy scales to himself he bestows power to his weapons that's why you can damage davoth, he is a primeval of his world (only primevals can damage each other)
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u/ZZVXI 25d ago
From what I've read, everything seems to be an antifeat for Doomverse' big G, Doomguy being the antithesis to the very universe's creator. With top dog of doomverse probably scales to 1-C+ at best with maximum wank.
Nirvana Buddhahood which sun wukong reaches at the end of the journey, is 1-C base and 1-A+ max if put into context (since Buddha Gautama buddha can give buddhahood to non-buddhas at will, making him supposedly above even the mythology's own divine hierarchy in infinite magnitudes)
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u/Altruistic-Rough-922 25d ago
Yeah, but we only saw davoth's physical form. We didn't see his true form and that means he was at his weakest similar to arceus from pokemon (which explains him being The supreme being)
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u/AtomicSekiro_ 24d ago
No they don’t. This is a fancanon based off misinterpreting what a dev said while busy on stream.
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u/ImpressionAlarmed167 25d ago
i completely agree that wukong slaps everyone else here. But my point is that because people see big punch they automatically think that the character is stronger.
Wukong-H1A->boundless irl
Doom Slayer-Complex Multi
Kratos-Low Complex Multi
Asura-Low Multi
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u/Key-Ebb-8306 26d ago
All of.them.are badass, but honestly Asura punching the massive planet size fatso to oblivion was hype
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u/ImpressionAlarmed167 26d ago
yeah i agree that asura is the coolest. not many characters actually show themselves throwing around that type of power. i think asura has better action too but he isnt stronger
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u/Key-Ebb-8306 26d ago
Meh, I think all four of them are kind of equal for me...I just like all four
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u/ImpressionAlarmed167 26d ago
i honestly dont like doom that much. the original games 1-3 yeah. But i think Doom Eternal is kinda crazy for the series. i like GoW and asuras tho. haven’t played black myth tho.
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u/Eldritch-Cleaver 26d ago
Yeah because Asura has actual feats
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u/ImpressionAlarmed167 26d ago
that doesnt really matter. tons of characters would be fodder without statements.
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u/Storm_Spirit99 the numidium enjoyer 25d ago
Statements are overrated and for wankers
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u/Zizara42 26d ago
then they are fodder
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u/schloongslayer69 26d ago
King is all statements no feats, you wanna know why?
No one that hears the King Engine beat ever lives to tell the tale.
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u/ShadowCrowQ Absolute Hater 26d ago edited 25d ago
That’s a completely different scenario. Everyone knows King is the strongest
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u/FaithlessnessOk9623 26d ago
I just don't really buy into the high scaling of doom slayer. It just doesn't feel right to me, you know?
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u/Killtheiceagebabynow 25d ago
Doom slayer feels like a Witcher to me, not necessarily crazy strong on his own but with preparations, can kill very strong characters
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u/AtomicSekiro_ 24d ago
Well, that’s exactly what he is. Doom wankers just hate the games so much that they don’t consider the games canon.
Doomslayer CAN be stopped and defeated. 2016 literally opens because he was baited into a temple and had it dropped on him. A temple.
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u/Killtheiceagebabynow 24d ago
That’s what I’m saying, he shouldn’t be unstoppable, he should be more human like, a kinda character who perseveres and overcome nigh impossible challenges
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u/AtomicSekiro_ 24d ago
That’s exactly WHO he is.
But, again, Doom Wankers prefer YouTube videos over the actual games.
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u/SomeGuyM99 25d ago
Actually according to the lore doom slayer is this primordial being brought into existence to fight, he will grow as strong as he needs to be to kill and maim. Dude is a god of:
“sure you have nice hacks but fuck you”
So yeah, doom guys solos.
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u/Killtheiceagebabynow 25d ago
I’m not talking about how strong he is, I’m talking about how I feel his character should be written, like he’s pretty strong, but I think he should be more like Geralt or Batman, you know?
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u/SomeGuyM99 25d ago
Given the fact he’s a machine mowing through swathes of enemies without ever needing to shit or eat with his sole purpose being the distribution of death, I think the way he’s currently depicted is awesome.
It’s not about writing a compelling character who we can relate to, no. He’s a vessel we have the pleasure of delving inside and using to commit unholy acts of eternal violence!
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u/Killtheiceagebabynow 25d ago
You can relate to Batman or Geralt?
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u/SomeGuyM99 25d ago
Yes, they struggle, they endure, they train, they have relationship, standards, moral dilemmas, Doom Slayer just fucks shit up because the universe needs something to balance the scales.
The Doom Slayer is not a character he is a force of nature.
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u/Some_ArabGuy My enlightened opinion🔥 > Your foolish, garbage opinion🧢 26d ago
I can understand that
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u/Working_Berry9307 26d ago
As a huge Doom fan, you are cringe. You can be a fan without your favorite guy being a multiverse destroying God. He's a guy with a gun who did some cool stuff. Cope and seethe, until it is done.
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u/Some_ArabGuy My enlightened opinion🔥 > Your foolish, garbage opinion🧢 26d ago
Why do people feel like telling everyone that they're a fan of something make them any more credible ?
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u/speedymcspeedster21 26d ago
Because powerscalers take a different take that's lower than theirs as insulting / hating the character, which only cements the fact that powerscalers only care about their characters being seen as strong as possible to be 'cooler'.
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u/CEOofRacismTrue 26d ago
Bro I hate those comments they always start with "As someone with" aaaa comment.
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u/Comfortable_Wear_332 25d ago
As a racist myself, boss can I have a raise.
For legal reasons this is a joke.
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u/FlockFlysAtMidnite 26d ago
As someone who isn't a huge Doom fan, killing the creator of the multiverse is a bigger feat than 99% of characters on here.
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u/tristenjpl 25d ago
I haven't played the Doom Games, but in general, creating the universe/multiverse doesn't necessarily mean the character is strong in other ways.
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u/FlockFlysAtMidnite 25d ago
If that was Davoths only feat, sure.
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u/tristenjpl 25d ago
Feats like getting killed by a guy who uses a shotgun?
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u/FlockFlysAtMidnite 25d ago
I mean a) the Slayer has been empowered by the Divinity Machine, b) his weapons are empowered by him, and c) the canonical reason he uses guns to kill demons is because just using his hands would be too easy.
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u/tristenjpl 25d ago
Call me when the Doomslayer punches a guy larger than the earth to pieces.
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u/FlockFlysAtMidnite 25d ago
You already said you don't know anything about Doom. Why are you being so dismissive of canon feats?
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u/tristenjpl 25d ago
Because they got nothing to really back it up. "Oh man, this guy is totally super strong. Created the entire multiverse, threatens all life, and could destroy galaxies with his pinky. Anyway, here he is fighting a dude with a shot gun, getting hit by bullets while his Multiverse level sword swings don't even scratch the planet they're on. Like I said, call me when Doom Slayer has a feat other than beating a guy who's all statements. Until then, Feat Man reigns supreme.
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u/FlockFlysAtMidnite 25d ago
Right, because fists famously deal more damage than guns 🙄 you're willing to accept magic punches but not magic shotguns?
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u/drypancake 25d ago
The guy has a gun in his back pocket that fucking fragmented mars. That he can shoot multiple times with little to if any delay between shots.
I don’t think Doomslayer can even canonically die. When you die in universe you get sent to hell but even then the demons just trapped him cause they couldn’t do anything to an incapacitated doomslayer.
I’m not saying Doomslayer would win but it’s incredibly stupid to write him off on the basis that one guy can punch more than the other.
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u/AtomicSekiro_ 24d ago
No he doesn’t, since the BFG 9000 isn’t the BFG 10000. The BFGK 10k was a city sized MOD for the 9k that boosted its power by being CITY SIZED.
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u/drypancake 22d ago
The BFG 10k is powered and controlled by the BFG 9k. 9k is powering the 10k I would say it’s pretty easy to assume you could do the same exact things with it given it’s the power source and contains the energy fully required to run the 10k
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u/killerguyrobot1 26d ago
I don't see doomguy holding up a continent sized finger and punching it so hard a being bigger than earth dies. Asura destroys doomguy
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u/Chewy_ThatGuy 26d ago
cause he is lmao, what has doomguy done on screen that is more impressive than Asura?
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u/ImpressionAlarmed167 26d ago
on screen doesnt fucking matter
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u/PhoonTFDB Vile Bayle! I will riddle your rotten hide! 26d ago
Statements have never and will never matter. Do the feat to get scaled, simple as that.
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u/TheAfricanViewer 26d ago
I’m actually curious what classifies as a “statement”. Can book characters never be scaled?
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u/PhoonTFDB Vile Bayle! I will riddle your rotten hide! 26d ago
If a character says they can do something, but never does it, that's a statement. Or if a 3rd party states "Wow! Their power levels are destroying the fabric of reality!" But on-screen only a mountain gets blown up, then the feat is mountain. Because the "statement" is provably false, it didn't happen.
Characters in a book are the same. If they take the action such as-
"Siegfried swung his sword in a massive arc, a blinding blue light lit up the sky, brighter than the sun. When the light dissipated nothing was left of the moon but debris floating through space"
Then that's a feat. The character destroyed the moon, now he's a moon buster. But if instead it was only stated-
"Siegfried scoffed in response, a cocky smile beginning to form upon his lips. 'Destroying the moon would be an easy feat for one such as myself.'"
In this case he would not be a moon buster. He didn't destroy the moon, only stated he could
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u/Unfair_Draft_7302 26d ago
I only discount statements if they are contradicted by feats. This is especially true in video games where often times stuff won't be shown because it would take a long ass cinematic to show what could be established in a few lines of statements.
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u/FlockFlysAtMidnite 26d ago
So when the Doomslayer killed the creator of the multiverse, that's a feat by your definition.
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u/PhoonTFDB Vile Bayle! I will riddle your rotten hide! 26d ago
If the creator of the multiverse created the multiverse on screen, yes. If it's just some guy who said he did it, then he killed just some guy
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u/FlockFlysAtMidnite 26d ago
Holy shit this is a brain dead take lmfao
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u/PhoonTFDB Vile Bayle! I will riddle your rotten hide! 26d ago
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u/FlockFlysAtMidnite 26d ago
I mean you just don't understand how fictional characters work, you're not really in a position to be lecturing on intellectual capacity.
It is entirely unreasonable to expect every single character to have every single feat of theirs shown on screen. At some point, you have to take author statements at face value. If someone creates a black hole, are you going to argue that "We don't know it's a black hole, they just said it was a black hole"? If someone destroys a galaxy with a single punch, will you argue that it could have just been a set of floating Christmas lights? If the ruler of the universe comes along, are you going to demand onscreen proof of every single planet they conquered?
You don't seem to be able to differentiate between statements made by the author - such as in narration - and statements made by characters.
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u/Some_ArabGuy My enlightened opinion🔥 > Your foolish, garbage opinion🧢 26d ago
The absolute brainrot is crazy
One of the stupidest things I've seen someone say on here
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u/FlockFlysAtMidnite 25d ago
He thinks Goku is mountain level ☠️☠️
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u/Some_ArabGuy My enlightened opinion🔥 > Your foolish, garbage opinion🧢 25d ago
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u/PhoonTFDB Vile Bayle! I will riddle your rotten hide! 26d ago
I killed God so my opinion is always correct
If you disagree with the statement above then you just proved statement scaling is stupid, congratulations!
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u/SomeGuyM99 25d ago
Actually according to the lore doom slayer is this primordial being brought into existence to fight, he will grow as strong as he needs to be to kill and maim. Dude is a god of:
“sure you have nice hacks but fuck you”
So yeah, doom guys solos.
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u/WizardInCrimson 26d ago
Kratos and Wukong would be good friends. One goofy, one serious. Both take no shit and have a habit of smacking gods down the hard way.
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u/PrettySureImCursed 25d ago
I’m a slayer Stan but asura walks.
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u/ImpressionAlarmed167 25d ago
How, and don’t say “Well i haven’t seen Slayer punch a guy thats bigger than earth”
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u/Comfortable_Wear_332 25d ago
Doom slayer killed the creator of his own universe, And asura killed the creator of his own universe. But I don’t know the details of how doom slayer did it so I will not argue for either side.
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u/SomeGuyM99 25d ago
Actually according to the lore doom slayer is this primordial being brought into existence to fight, he will grow as strong as he needs to be to kill and maim. Dude is a god of:
“sure you have nice hacks but fuck you”
So yeah, doom guys solos.
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u/Southern-Advance-759 I solo fiction fr 25d ago
Well Asura also grows stronger as he fights and well we can say he is a god of:
"You anger me, you dead"
So yeah it all depends on growth potential per second of both. Personally by the feats we can see the growth of asura being faster than doom slayer in the games. Lorewise its just statements without actual numbers so it is pointless. By the feats we can say that Asura will overcome doom slayer sometime.-1
u/SomeGuyM99 25d ago
You’re missing the point, Slayer doesn’t grow stronger he just is. That’s just the character, this is a pointless argument.
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u/the_last_mlg Homeowthstuck dude 25d ago
doomslayer is literally in the same boat as kratos, depending on lore and statements and having little to no on screen feats to help them (tbf this is most of fiction's cosmic tiers lol) so it makes sense
and black myth wukong is carried by people deciding to scale him to wukong from the actual JTTW despite it being a adaptation of a hypothetical sequel as far as i know
asura is literally featsman lol
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u/Ok_Try_1665 Customizable Flair 25d ago
And I agree with that take. Asura's "on screen feats" is infinitely more impressive than both kratos and doom guy's "statements" combined
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u/ImpressionAlarmed167 25d ago
impressive sure but not more powerful
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u/seven_worth 25d ago
I mean certainly more powerful. We are talking on screen feat here.
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u/ImpressionAlarmed167 25d ago
im talking about lore and statements, just because we dont see something doesnt mean they are any less strong
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u/seven_worth 22d ago
Both doom guy and kratos multi feat is from the novel. Like I say on screen as in game where you actually see what they are doing. Not game extra who say kratos fighting across dimension while also afraid of horse stomp.
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u/Zizara42 26d ago
because Asura is absolutely and obviously miles above Doom Slayer, who's weight is 99% hot air being constantly blown up his ass by comparison
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u/mountingconfusion 25d ago
Sun Wukong is one of the original fuck you I win characters.
7 different kinds of immortal, can backflip to the edge of the universe, can run at incredible speed while carrying 2 of the heaviest mountains in China on his shoulders, fought the entire army of heaven for fun and got bored because it wasn't particularly a challenge etc
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u/ImpressionAlarmed167 25d ago
yeah but thats not the point of the post. wukong negs everyone else here
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u/Slim_Slady 25d ago
Apparently this sub only considers fears when it’s Kratos and Doom Slayer. Yet when we’re talking about anime characters, suddenly everyone changes their tune.
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u/Storm_Spirit99 the numidium enjoyer 25d ago
Well yeah, Asura's feats outclasses doom slayers feats by a long shot
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u/tristenjpl 25d ago
Call me when Doomslayer punches a guy larger than the entire planet to pieces.
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u/ImpressionAlarmed167 25d ago
i’ve seen this brain dead argument so many times so far lmao. i just i just cant bro
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u/tristenjpl 25d ago
Nah, this is why people always make fun of powerscalers. Guy has no showings of him doing anything that could bring him up to even busting a country "Yeah, this guy is totally outversal."
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u/ImpressionAlarmed167 25d ago
yeah but in the end thats what powerscaling is and also why doom slayer is stronger than asura
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u/AtomicSekiro_ 24d ago
Well he is, easily.
Doomslayer needed a city sized gun just to dent a planet.
Asura would SWIM through the same planet on his way to go punch Buddha in the face.
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u/No_Window7054 26d ago
Weebs go wild. "Oh, your character kills God's? Oh, your character is THE demon slayer? Well, mine is from East Asia, so he solos his verse no diff."
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u/Stinkyboy3527 25d ago
I'm a doom slayer wanker and Asura is stronger as proved by the true ending of Asuras wrath, yes slayer killed davoth but that's nothing compared to one punching reality away.
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u/ScrumpusMcDingle The Doom Glazer and Professional Kirby downplayer 25d ago
Feats wise, Asura would be superior but lore wise, I’d say they’re more equal and the Doom Slayer might edge out on the Strength stat.
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u/laserbeez 25d ago
This must be a spite post. Asura literally caught a continent sized finger/hand and tossed it because he was angry. Doom slayer..um no
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u/Immediate-Rope8465 metroid enjoyer 26d ago
asura is all feats but is the weakest here because he has 0 statemetns of cosmo to back him up
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u/Ok-Sport-3663 26d ago
Asura is all feats, and definitely the strongest, but the other ones have statement on statements that can be taken to mean that they're stronger, even though, no they're definitely not (kratos struggles to flip a mountain sized temple, asura punches a planet away away as a casual feat)
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u/ImpressionAlarmed167 26d ago
mountain sized temple
the nine realms…
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u/Ok-Sport-3663 26d ago
he didn't flip the nine fucking realms, are you high?
ITS A temple that opens portals.
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u/Gamer-of-Action 26d ago
Okay, I know Asura had actual feats unlike the others, but most of the feats I've seen just put him at large planet level?
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u/Adamle69 25d ago
Eastern mythology is just built different, unfortunately kratos realized too late
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u/pebspi 25d ago
Who’s the spiky hair guy in the gi holding the shuriken or whatever the thing that looks like helicopter blades is?
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u/ImpressionAlarmed167 25d ago
Sun Wukong, Its a staff btw too. He started gaining traction again because a game Called “Black Myth Wukong” recently came out
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u/pebspi 25d ago
Ahhhh OK
In that case I’m gonna add more heat to the talk: I think Kratos is stronger than Doomguy honestly
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u/ImpressionAlarmed167 25d ago
thats fair, i think GoW 3 kratos is stronger too because of power of hope. I’m talking about current kratos.
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u/pebspi 25d ago
I can see doomguy having the attack power to kill him, but I do think current Kratos could still win if he could avoid getting blasted first -easier said than done.
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u/ImpressionAlarmed167 25d ago
yeah thats another thing though, didnt kratos lose the shoes of hermes
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u/accelerationistpepe 25d ago
Compared to them, Doomguy’s only real advantage is his infinite stamina and endurance. Since Black Myth’s Wukong isn’t the actual original Sun Wukong, but his reincarnation, I don’t know if anything can be said about him equaling to Asura. Maybe if he achieved Buddhahood in the game
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