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u/masterboom0004 13d ago
honestly, let's say they're both at their peak, steve has the best armor and inchants weapons etc, the terrarian has the best armor, items, weapon, etc
the terrarian FLOORS steve
like, legitimatly, higher everything, health, strength, speed, damage
i love steve but this is not a fight, it's a murder
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u/infiniteatomic 13d ago
That's technically not Steve at his best, I know that terraria would disintegrate Steve normally...BUT MODS, or if you wanna just really take them at their best Steve is absolute god(creative mode) and terraria has some mods too I guess
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u/masterboom0004 13d ago
yeah, if we include mods it only gets worse for steve
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u/infiniteatomic 12d ago
Not really, both games have potentially limitless possibilities so it would be a stalemate, it would just continue to one u itself like terraria gets a mod "AHA! now I can delete entities" mc"ok now Steve is no longer a entity" n shit like that
And even considering only available mods, Steve still has creative mode and it would come out to just who can type faster at that point
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u/masterboom0004 12d ago
which guess what, is why fanmade modifications and all that aren't things people factor in when people talk about character vs character
but as it stands now the average terraria mod buffs the terrarian much more than the average minecraft mod buffs steve
a hyper realistic ak47 isn't gonna do much against the god of hyper death
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u/Royal_Yard5850 Cookie Clicker neg diffs your favorite verse 12d ago
The Noxus Sprayer can delete entities which cannot be attacked and don't have any hitbox or HP
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u/infiniteatomic 12d ago
And there is a sword in mc that just crashes the game, ending existence. Ooh boy the exciting battle of my god is better than yours
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u/vortxo 12d ago
Including mods in a power scaling discussion is basically the same thing as including fanfiction
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u/Canarity How tf are scalers even ranked 12d ago
Are you talking about the ones where Terrarian gets strong enough to fight God?
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u/infiniteatomic 12d ago
Yes and the ones where mc breaks the 4th wall and can no longer be deleted even by you
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u/Canarity How tf are scalers even ranked 12d ago
The fourth wall break is such an overused and questionable crap that even I am probably not going to include that in a story I am making
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u/infiniteatomic 12d ago
I wouldn't say it's overused in games, there are a few I can think of but it isn't so prevalent as in either movies/manga. And it is supposed to represent the characters higher state of being then just an imaginary character
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u/SEND_ME_NOODLE Customizable Flair 12d ago
Even creative mode Steve can't do anything to endgame Terraria character. And calamity terraria>>>>>Steve with any mod you can imagine
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u/infiniteatomic 12d ago
/kill instantly kills anything and anyone who literally hasn't had death made not possible by it not existing
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u/Lunar_Husk 12d ago
Journey Mode God Mode would be immune to /Kill.
As of 1.20, it does 3.4×10^38 generic damage, God Mode is immune to all damage (including instant kills like the Wall of Flesh's tongue).
So, if Steve is allowed to cheat, so is the Terrarian. At best, with both at full power (and with cheats, which is not part of either's power set), it is a stalemate.
Without cheats, the Terrarian wins handily.
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u/SEND_ME_NOODLE Customizable Flair 12d ago
I don't think console commands count as a character's abilities, bud
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u/infiniteatomic 12d ago
Can Steve/any player do it in any game? Yes they can! Is it essentially a core feature of the game being built into the chat box that can be called with a single button? Yes and yes! Just like the terraria character not needing to eat it also is a feature built into the base game so a fair thing to fight with
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u/SEND_ME_NOODLE Customizable Flair 12d ago
No, and Steve is not winning this man.
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u/masterboom0004 12d ago
heres the thing
theyre called "cheats" for a reason
you have to ENABLE THEM
if you say steve can use cheats thats the same level as "steve can use creative so he wins"
you dont see doom fans saying he can go invincible cause of godmode
cheats exist outside the game world
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u/infiniteatomic 12d ago
They are part of a mode that is within the 3 game modes (4 if you count hardcore) you can switch when choosing a world so you can play any mode. And in one mode those cheats are automatically built in as a feature the game alerts you to.
It's different from doom in the fact that yes you can enable cheats, but they are not a part of the game (since doom doesn't have game modes) as built in features
Terraria also has game modes so those games can be compared more than doom and I especially didn't mention that terraria can't use journey mode or other built in modes that are in the game to enhance the sandbox experience and that the game actually offers unlike other games that have what's essentially just a debug menu in case you get stuck.
Minecraft on the other hand is a game focused on creativity so there is just an option for Steve to be creative and go wild
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u/masterboom0004 12d ago
question
do you think steve can access creative mode at will?
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u/infiniteatomic 12d ago
It ain't the greatest comparison but it's like irl money, some are born into a multi million dollar mansion and others are born into middle class families. So he can either spawn untouchable or with hp
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u/Taethefallen SHEN WULONG THE THE GOAT IN 1V1 HANDS ONLY EQUAL STATS. 12d ago
Those are very different and that would make every character with console commands stronger than Steve
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u/Ok_Substance5632 12d ago
What about Steve post modded minecraft?
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u/Royal_Yard5850 Cookie Clicker neg diffs your favorite verse 12d ago
Then we'd have to use modded Terrarian, so stalemate
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u/Etherrus 13d ago
Steve choking on his 34th golden apple as Terrarian carpet bombs the entire biome from a flying saucer
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u/JWARRIOR1 Wizard101 protagonist soloes your favorite verse 13d ago
coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb
seriously, literally everything steve has, terrarian does 10x better
flight? terrarian can do it while stearing/hovering indefinitely and can use other items, weapons, and tools while steering
Mobility (ties to flight but) terrarians have grappling hooks, mounts, teleporters, etc.
armor? terrarian's armors have effects that are infinitely more powerful than any enchantments steve has. Hell, one of the later armors summons a fucking jojo stand for you
weapons? we seriously comparing a diamond sword to the zenith? or a crossbow/bow to the celebration MK machine gun firing nukes? Not to mention the last prism basically just nuking everything. Or way more variety in terms of damage types and armor negation through flame thrower/elf melter (which also nullifies fire resist potions by using frost flame)
Potions? terrarian's are way more varied and versitile while also being straight up upgrades.
teleportation? The terrarian can get the rod of discord to do it instantly without CD AND can upgrade it to the rod of harmony to not take any hp damage while doing it
total health? terrarian can get 500 base health while increasing it further with potions while steve has 10.
summons/allies? Best steve has are wolves and golems. Terrarian can summon sharknados, sentries, turrets, tigers, canons, pirates, spiders, a living sword, etc.
the ONLY thing I think steve has better is golden apples, but terrarian has much better trinkets and gear to make up for this.
"But steve can carry thousands of items in his pocket!" I always assumed it worked like a pocket dimension, but terrarian can carry stacks of up to 9999 and also has pocket dimension inventory similar to shulker boxes.
heck even pre hardmode terrarian is stomping steve tbh
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u/tarnished_samson 13d ago
Not to mention the terrarian has an infinite water bucket
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u/JWARRIOR1 Wizard101 protagonist soloes your favorite verse 13d ago
and infinite lava bucket, and infinite shimmer bucket
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u/AskNinjask I am quite fond of "Filibuster". 13d ago edited 13d ago
It's pretty dumb to compare HP between games, going by that logic even some of the weakest units in The Battle Cats are stronger than both
Edit: also steve has 20 health, each heart is 2 HP
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u/Royal_Yard5850 Cookie Clicker neg diffs your favorite verse 13d ago
Terrarian can still tank hits from the Coin Gun with Platinum Coins, which are crafted from 1 million copper coins, meaning each individual platinum coin weighs around 348.9 million kg
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u/AskNinjask I am quite fond of "Filibuster". 13d ago
Idk about their actual durability, all im saying is that comparing in-game HP for scaling is very stupid
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u/JWARRIOR1 Wizard101 protagonist soloes your favorite verse 12d ago
yeah thats valid, but like i said comparing in game hp unironically feels closer feat wise lol
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u/JWARRIOR1 Wizard101 protagonist soloes your favorite verse 13d ago
that is a fair take, however terrarian still has way better durability feats when tanking the moon lord and all the other crazier boss hits
IMO comparing their Hp straight up is more generous than comparing feats of durability unless its fall damage (which terrarian doesnt take with wings or other items, and steve still takes damage if he slams into a wall or something)
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u/Mark_Scaly The Battle Cats glazer №1 13d ago
We soloing Terraria with Lil’ Cat 😄
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u/AskNinjask I am quite fond of "Filibuster". 13d ago
Terrarian HP: 500
Trash Cat HP: 6800 (Level 30)
I simply don't see how Terrarian can beat them (just learned that their description uses they/them, interesting stuff)
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u/KarmaFarmer_0042069 13d ago
Less health than the wall of flesh
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u/AskNinjask I am quite fond of "Filibuster". 13d ago
Not at level 50, then they have a "mighty" 10.8k health
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u/JWARRIOR1 Wizard101 protagonist soloes your favorite verse 12d ago
*casual moonlord having 277311 hp on master mode*
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u/BeeBop9820 12d ago
Boulder cat mogs
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u/AskNinjask I am quite fond of "Filibuster". 12d ago
The ultimate strategy: throwing rocks at your opponent until they die
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u/Mark_Scaly The Battle Cats glazer №1 13d ago
That they/them might be just because it’s unknown, but whatever. Apparently tho Trash Cat deals enough damage to oneshot Terrarian.
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u/Fit-Pomegranate-7192 12d ago
Terrarian can beat daytime empress of light, which has far more hit points than that and also oneshots the terrarian.
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u/Mark_Scaly The Battle Cats glazer №1 12d ago
That’s true, but unlike her Trash Cat’s damage is stable…Unless they fight zombies, the damage quadruples, even though it’s not the case with Terrarian I guess.
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u/Royal_Yesterday 13d ago
Steve is 3d so he neg with dimensional advantage /s
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u/JWARRIOR1 Wizard101 protagonist soloes your favorite verse 13d ago
Terraria has walls and backgrounds. Yes it’s a 3d game despite mostly being 2d
(Ik this is a joke argument but legitimately had someone argue this 2 days ago)
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u/alguien99 13d ago
Basically this, there's a point where the weapons and armor in terraria get really absurd. I played witha friend and i was a warrior, despite being the most "tame" in magic powers, it has an absurd amount of attack and defense.
Steve is strong, but he doesn't really have any answer to the many potions, weapons and armor the terrarian has. Even if we give them mods, and give the terrarian calamity, the power gap is still too big
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u/underfan6h6 12d ago
Even if you give Steve the avaritia mod? It literally gives him a blade that does infinite damage and armor that makes him invincible and gives him creative flight
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u/Royal_Yard5850 Cookie Clicker neg diffs your favorite verse 12d ago
If we're including mods, the Hyperplane Matrix makes the Terrarian immune to all damage, and you can also use it to deal 20x an enemy's maximum HP in damage, which ignores defense and damage reduction
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u/underfan6h6 12d ago
I didn’t know about that mod. No need to downvote me. I don’t play terraria that much let alone modded
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u/ArtZanMou2 Main Timeline Mega Man characters cap at Universal 12d ago edited 12d ago
hOw DaRe YoU tO fOrGeT tHe SnOw GoLen!?
But seriously now good analysis the only things wrong are the thing with the itens since is more of a gameplay mechanic than something that should be considered and the thing with HP
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u/JWARRIOR1 Wizard101 protagonist soloes your favorite verse 12d ago
I didnt mention gold anywhere unless youre referring to golden apples for steve. tbh i was lenient with him and he still gets stomped
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u/ArtZanMou2 Main Timeline Mega Man characters cap at Universal 12d ago
Sorry i was talking about the itens i confused because most of the time people talk about that they use gold since it's the heaviest in real life that exists in minecraft
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u/JWARRIOR1 Wizard101 protagonist soloes your favorite verse 12d ago
Yeah but also by that logic terrarian stacks more (up to stacks of 9999) and can also carry gold, so that argument is also debunked
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u/ProbablythelastMimsy 12d ago
the ONLY thing I think steve has better is golden apples, but terrarian has much better trinkets and gear to make up for this.
Totems of undying too
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u/JWARRIOR1 Wizard101 protagonist soloes your favorite verse 12d ago
fair but theyre more limited as they dont stack, he needs them in his hand, and take time to activate/cooldown
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u/underfan6h6 12d ago
Actually 10 hearts in Minecraft is 20 health because half a heart, but my correction changes literally nothing
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u/Temporary-Wheel-576 13d ago
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u/SpiritHistorical2394 Occult Research Club Glazer 13d ago edited 13d ago
Terrarian no diffs and takes every stat prehard no diffs too
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u/SomeUgliRobot No, among us isnt outerversal. 13d ago
Both beat Yogiri
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u/Royal_Yard5850 Cookie Clicker neg diffs your favorite verse 13d ago
Terrarian low diffs, and I'm tired of pretending he doesn't
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u/jinsou_ 13d ago
Terraria's main focus is combat while Minecraft's is building, not much of a fight here
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u/SlenderFist 12d ago edited 12d ago
i think even the terrarian has construction accessories that make their building skills better than steves, hand of creation and the grand design just to name a couple
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u/Royal_Yard5850 Cookie Clicker neg diffs your favorite verse 12d ago
Ancient Chisel is part of the Hand of Creation
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u/ArkusArcane 13d ago
Ngl, Steve is fucked, although I much prefer Minecraft (especially modded). Sorry steve
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u/BrodieIV richard watterson + wally west neg diff 13d ago
don’t think Steve can beat moon Lord master diff 😂😂
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u/JWARRIOR1 Wizard101 protagonist soloes your favorite verse 13d ago
steve barely getting to wall of flesh tbh
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u/Montraria 13d ago
Don't even think he's getting past eoc
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u/TheOneWhoThrowsShit Mid Level Scaler 13d ago
He beats eye of Cthulhu and gets mid diffed by queen bee
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u/Montraria 13d ago
How would he be able to live its charge in phase 2?
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u/TheOneWhoThrowsShit Mid Level Scaler 13d ago
Maybe if he keeps his distance with an elytra. He gets one shot if he gets hit tho
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u/JWARRIOR1 Wizard101 protagonist soloes your favorite verse 13d ago
steve being stuck in honey while tanking poison is actually a minecraft nightmare lol
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u/TheOneWhoThrowsShit Mid Level Scaler 13d ago
Imagine being a literal dragon slayer losing to an above average sized bee
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u/Sea_Strain_6881 3rd biggest boros glazer 13d ago
Terrarian negs, this is a massive spite match
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u/Deremirekor 13d ago
Everyone calls everything a spite match
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u/Sea_Strain_6881 3rd biggest boros glazer 13d ago
I mean that this fight is extremely unfair, Terrarian slams neg diff, everything Steve can do terrarian can do better and much more
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u/Deremirekor 13d ago
Yeah true but it’s like the two big block games, it makes sense to scale them especially if op hasn’t played one of them which seems likely
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u/Sea_Strain_6881 3rd biggest boros glazer 13d ago
Yeah, I just use "spite match" as a way to say how unfair a fight is
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u/TheOneWhoThrowsShit Mid Level Scaler 13d ago
Can’t wait for people to bring up the classic ‘oH bUt TeRRarIan iS 2D aND StEve cAn go oN tHe z AxIS’
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u/FrancoGamer 13d ago
wait, I initially was absolutely convinced Terrarian would win, but how isn't this true?
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u/Far_Celebration_8827 13d ago
Because Terraria is only 2D game from our perspective, but in the Terrarian's perspective it's 3D.
Even if you somehow don't believe that, here's a better argument: Terraria once had a crossover with Dungeon Defenders 2, the Dryad exited Terraria which is "2D" and became 3D in the DD2 world while the Tavernkeep who came from DD2 became "2D" when he entered Terraria.
By this logic, if Steve and the Terrarian fight in Terraria, both become "2D" and if they both fight in Minecraft, both become 3D. Thus; no, Steve doesn't have any dimensionality advantage because either they both are 3D or they both are 2D
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u/Nevermore-guy 13d ago
It's better to say that Terraria is 2.5 D
Since it, the characters can interact with things in the background, like placing down walls, but not being able to move there
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u/TheOneWhoThrowsShit Mid Level Scaler 13d ago
Terrarian negative diffs. Minecraft fans like to use the 2D argument to wank Steve and the Terrarian still neg diffs
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u/HackTiger6468 13d ago
There's a simple aspect of this we can make to even this "2d vs 3d aspect". Take the 4d Minecraft game, give the terrarian something like that but to traverse the 3rd dimension.
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u/HeavenlyRainbowLotus Goku and Superman Enjoyer 12d ago
Steve can lift a bajillion gold blocks so he solos mfers when The Terrarian pulls out weapons made from the unbridled power of the Sun
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u/Immediate-Rope8465 metroid enjoyer 13d ago
terrarian negs
you could get him to outer if you really wanted
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u/Nevermore-guy 13d ago
Terraria is 2.5 dimensional while minecraft is 3 dimensional
Steve stomps 🔥🔥🔥
(/j, Terraria wins this easily)
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u/customblame16 13d ago
steve needs to enable cheats to win cus pre hardmode terrarian slams
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u/Mark_Scaly The Battle Cats glazer №1 13d ago
But cheats don’t work just everywhere, apparently giving him cheats means giving him advantage which is a no-no on neutral ground.
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u/Mark_Scaly The Battle Cats glazer №1 13d ago
Terrarian. Not because he is strong as hell, but because Steve is weak as hell.
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u/Royal_Yard5850 Cookie Clicker neg diffs your favorite verse 12d ago
This is literally r/powerscaling bro
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u/Alan_Reddit_M 13d ago
Terrarian can fly, teleport and attack for several Meters away using the zenith, the celebrationmk2 or the last prism
Terrarian no diffs
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u/infiniteatomic 13d ago edited 12d ago
So summarized:
no equipment - Stalemate/unsure/can't be bothered to do math at night
mid game gear- Terraria
full gear- Terraria (decimates)
all base game- Steve (/kill)
Mods- Stalemate(who can make a better god)
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u/Relevant-Pea1419 13d ago
No equipment, Steve
Maxed equipment, Terrarian negs
Creative/Journey+Cheats, Steve
Via End poem, Steve
Realistically Terrarian wins
Or Steve could just run along the z axis but we don’t count that
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u/Greentoaststone Steve is a FRAUD!!!!! Terrarian supremacy for ever🗣🗣🗣 12d ago
Or Steve could just run along the z axis but we don’t count that
The world of Terraria has been proven to have multiple layers many many times, it's just the perspective that's 2D
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u/Express-Abies7748 12d ago
What's end open Steve ?
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u/Steppyjim 12d ago
I hate this MU. It’s not fun it’s just a one sided stomp, and I say that as someone who hates Minecraft.
Terrarian obliterates
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u/ChestSlight8984 The guy who hates spite matches more than AM hates humans 12d ago
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u/RealAd3012 street-city level character enjoyer 12d ago
Terrarian wins easily. The only way you can make it so that Steve wins is if you include everything like creative mode, commands, and Minecraft dungeons
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u/trengaming 12d ago
Terrarian easily wins if survival.
I think composite vanilla and modded goes to Steve though
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u/Royal_Yard5850 Cookie Clicker neg diffs your favorite verse 12d ago
Don't most Minecraft mods run on different versions of the game?
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u/DoritoKing48 Uncle Grandpa Solos Fiction 12d ago
Does Steve have access to commands in this scenario or nah?
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u/RedditorInDenial2004 12d ago
In Minecraft, you become stronger, and you can make yourself a little less fucked by doing so. But the game’s still challenging, and you can always be taken down eventually if you’re just sloppy enough.
In Terraria, you kill a god, then you become a god.
Endgame terrarian is basically untouchable, whereas endgame steve is still vulnerable to pretty much everything, just too a lesser extent.
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u/Lunar_Husk 12d ago
The Terrarian beats Steve.
Health
-Unconverted: 100 to 20, 500 to 20
-Converted (100/20 = 5, /5 to Minecraft, *5 going to Terraria): 100 to 100, 500 to 100 (Terraria) or 20 to 20, 100 to 20 (Minecraft).
Damage
-Unconverted: 190 (Base Zenith) vs 27 (enchanted + crit + strength II netherite axe), 400 (Zenith + buffs) vs 27 (enchanted + crit + strength II netherite axe).
-Converted: 38 (Base Zenith) vs 27 (enchanted + crit + strength II netherite axe), 80 (Zenith + buffs) vs 27 (enchanted + crit + strength II netherite axe), or 190 (Base Zenith) vs 135 (enchanted + crit + strength II netherite axe), 400+ (Zenith + buffs) vs 135 (enchanted + crit + strength II netherite axe).
Durability
-Steve's armor can break if it takes too much damage. The same goes for his tools if he uses them too much.
-The Terrarian's armor and weapons have no durability stat to take into account gameplay-wise. Lorewise they are still far more durable than Steve's best armor.
Beyond just those stats
-The Mace: The Terrarian can parry it with the Sergeant United Shield or simply move out of the way.
-Elytra is faster than wings: Correct, but are also less maneuverable as a tradeoff.
-Thorns Armor: They can do 4 damage (Minecraft) or 20 damage (Terraria), both would be doing 1 damage if the Terrarian has a defense over 20.
-Invisibility: Hunter potion.
-End Crystals: Terrarian has better range, even with melee weapons.
-Ender Pearls: Rod of Discord/Harmony.
-Creative Mode: Not a canon ability that Steve has. If we do give it to him, Journey Mode God Mode is immune to all damage, no exception, so any commands used to try and kill the Terrarian will fail.
-Shield: The Terrarian has numerous piercing weapons, including the Zenith.
Anything I missed for Steve?
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u/Royal_Yard5850 Cookie Clicker neg diffs your favorite verse 12d ago
Steve has Cobwebs, which are instantly breakable with the Bottomless Water Bucket. The mobility and damage buffs given to the Trident in water and rain are also negatable by Ultra Absorbent Sponge and Enchanted Sundial/Moondial respectively
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u/LeShtick 12d ago
How about they team up and make the ultimate blursed hybrid building game.
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u/Royal_Yard5850 Cookie Clicker neg diffs your favorite verse 12d ago
Steve gets: paint, furniture, more bosses, vanity, actuators, better minecarts, better weapons, better armor, grappling hooks, better potions, accessories, dye, better food, better tools, more events, more maximum HP, statues, better mounts, pets, wings, more building blocks, reforges, golf, better fishing, pylons
Terrarian gets: new placeable arena buff (beacon), enchantments... yeah that's pretty much it
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u/Southern-Pattern4988 12d ago
There is only one way Steve could beat Terrarian. And that is moving left or right from him. It is successful because Tarrarian could only move front and back.
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u/Agreeable-Leading986 12d ago
Istg if anyone says "oh Steve can just say /kill" it's just a game mechanic not a ability grow the hell up Steve is a hercule victim
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u/verticc_ 12d ago
steves cuter so he wipes the floor with him
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u/Royal_Yard5850 Cookie Clicker neg diffs your favorite verse 12d ago
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u/Adamle69 13d ago
No gear fist fight: steve wins (terrarian cant punch) but maxed gear Terraria no diffs, because imagine steve with his netherite armour thinking he strong and then seeing a guy dressed in sun armour and a shit ton of swords (zenith) flying at steve
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u/Mister_BIB 13d ago
Terrarian can tank Moon Lord's laser attack at least one time without gear. Steve punching him wont do shit.
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u/Adamle69 13d ago
if both are gearless terrarian has no means of fighting back
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u/Mister_BIB 13d ago
Then its a stale mate.
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u/infiniteatomic 13d ago
And Steve can shape diamonds with his bare hands so Steve wins after a while of doing chip damage
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u/Mister_BIB 12d ago
Nope, both have regeneration but Steve needs to eat, Terrarian will just stand still and heal the damage lol
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u/infiniteatomic 12d ago
Yeah midnight is too late for those calculations currently plus I just can't be bothered so stalemate
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u/SlenderFist 12d ago
full Stardust armor, terraprisma, max minion accessories, terrarian can just afk this fight.
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u/DPHAngel Ajimu meat rider 13d ago edited 13d ago
Terrarian no difs unless you argue that game mechanics count for Minecraft(they don’t)
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u/Royal_Yard5850 Cookie Clicker neg diffs your favorite verse 13d ago
It gets a lot more debateable with Dungeons, I've even heard people say Steve wins
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u/Centurypong 13d ago
How about we give these characters actually interesting match ups instead of just repeating this same one over and over just because they're both sandbox block builders
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u/Superunderwear255 Wukong's top glazer🐵 13d ago
Without equipment, Steve wins
With equipment, terrarian negs Steve.
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u/Mister_BIB 13d ago
Terrarian can tank the Moon Lord's laser attack without armor, at least once. Steve gets fucking one shot.
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u/Superunderwear255 Wukong's top glazer🐵 13d ago
Without equipment, terrarians can't deal damage. It'd only be a matter of time before they get killed.
Equipment includes weapons, tools, armour.
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u/Sea_Strain_6881 3rd biggest boros glazer 13d ago
Steve loses even WITHOUT equipment
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u/Effective_Airline282 13d ago
Base form or full power?
Base forms Terrarian
Full power Steve because of creative mode
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u/Express-Abies7748 12d ago
I think peak vs peak , but no creative or cheat since that's not really fair
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u/Ok-Stock9799 13d ago
Steve is 3d meaning terraria dude would perceive him as a straight line Minecraft hearts compared to hp in terraria means that Steve basically has ultra durability yes there's more weapons and bosses in terraria but that doesn't mean each weapon in Minecraft or boss can do more damage scaling them to real world physics Steve dominates scaling them between game universe terraria dude wins
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u/HackTiger6468 13d ago
Scaling them together doesn't make sense. Armor wise the terrarian is significantly better, especially using late game ranger armor with the gun that shoots nukes casually.
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u/Royal_Yard5850 Cookie Clicker neg diffs your favorite verse 12d ago
Terrarian can see the biome backgrounds
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u/firegodpro 13d ago
Tbh everyone is saying that the terrarian negs but you can't really scale steve or minecraft it's basically a sandbox game, also if you wanted to scale steve many people already made videos on the Gargantuan amounts of weight steve can hold and if you wanted to scale him based on that he can transport literally TRILLIONS of infinitys and still sprint easily, you can't realistically scale steve but if you used this method steve would win
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u/Fit-Pomegranate-7192 12d ago
The terrarian can do this but better steve, has stacks of 64 vs the terrarian who has 9999 and the terrarian has a bigger inventory too and a variety of storage tools (similar to shulkers)
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u/firegodpro 12d ago
I mean not really, because the method i'm talking about gives steve about 1600¹⁴⁷ inventory spaces, each filled with trillions of infinity.
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u/Fit-Pomegranate-7192 12d ago
how is each one filled with trillions of infinity? I'm happy to believe you I just want to know the calculations you used.
infinite water buckets exist in terraria which means that the terrarian can carry infinite weight.
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u/firegodpro 12d ago
Yeah but I'm talking about blue ice which is 81 water buckets, 1 water bucket can hold 1.85 billions block of water that can each be used to make another water bucket with bottles and a cauldron(technically you can repeat that process and it's already an infinity of infinities), Then you can fill out a shulker box entirely with stacks of blue ice, which you can then use to fill out a chest, then you can Copy that chest in stacks Of 64 in another 25 item slots for storage chest which you can then do the same with that chest and you can repeat that process 147 times, (64×25 = 1600) Basically, steve can hold that amount (in survival) and jump and sprint pretty easily, though what I'm saying is it's hard to find a definitive way to scale sandbox games
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u/Fit-Pomegranate-7192 12d ago
I don't think this logic really works though. the buckets in minecraft hold a finite amount and only become infinite when you add two to a 2x2 hole
also I don't believe that this entire method of scaling even works since neither character can translate this strength into an attack.
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u/firegodpro 12d ago
Brother I already said scaling sandbox characters is stupid, and also I literally explained how the buckets can hold an infinite amount by themselves (by using water bottles and a cauldron, you can infinitely fill them up and 3 water bottles will fill a cauldron and then you can get another bucket from this, even if you wanna say that doesn't work either you're still holding more than 2 water bucket which you're saying is infinite), also I said that he could jump and sprint while holding this, which means that a kick from Steve would be devastating. you're just using copium because you can't make the terraria win now
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u/Fit-Pomegranate-7192 12d ago
How are you filling up the buckets infinitely with cauldrons and bottles? it just makes the filling sound, no extra water is added, infinite water sources are just a game mechanic, not something that accounts to weight in the inventory. Otherwise, why does placing two water buckets apart not create an infinite water source too. just because he can jump and sprint doesn't mean he can put that force into a punch or a kick anyway, steve can't bodyslam someone because he doesn't do damage from impact.
I agree that scaling sandboxes is stupid, but why are you doing it then? I was only playing along with this because im interested in these arguments. I'm not on any copium and I don't particularly care which character is stronger i'm just taking the side of the terrarian because you have clearly taken the side of steve and i'm interested to further my knowledge.
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u/firegodpro 12d ago
If you're curious about this, then in bedrock edition you can infinitely fill water buckets by placing down water and filling up bottles, and then you can use these bottles to fill a cauldron entirely and then you can use the filled cauldron to fill another water bucket essentially meaning that a water bucket can hold infinitely many other water buckets, also do you know how much force it takes to jump while holding that much weight ? Considering he would basically have to push 2-3 times the entire weight with his 2 that would basically mean he can kick with 1.5 times the force necessary to hold the weight, Even if you just filled his two fists with 2 stacks of the chests it would still be infinitely heavier than The Universe, And talking about resistance, Base Steve Could survive the hits from a Zombie holding 5 stacks of the 1600¹⁴⁷ chests I talked about earlier which is why I think if you wanted to scale Steve based off of that he would be stronger, but since you just wanna discuss this then ask about what you need clarification on.
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u/Fit-Pomegranate-7192 12d ago
I think the main clashing point is that I don't believe that these count as infinite and are just game mechanics (this applies to the terrarian as well) that don't particularly apply to powerscaling where as you believe the opposite.
Assuming that the inventory isn't used as a means of strength then personally I think terrarian dogwalks steve just in terms of what is seen in game but really it can be seen validly from either point of view.
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u/Royal_Yard5850 Cookie Clicker neg diffs your favorite verse 12d ago
"Neither character can translate this strength into an attack" Coin Gun:
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u/Royal_Yard5850 Cookie Clicker neg diffs your favorite verse 12d ago
Not like Steve can throw all that blue ice at mobs to damage them or anything, though, and his punches do less damage than one quarter of a piece of flint (arrow). Meanwhile, Terrarian can tank hits from the Coin Gun with Platinum Coins (each coin has been calced to weigh 348.9 million kg) and fire it himself without recoil
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u/samyruno 13d ago
Obviously the characters themselves at their peak, terraria guy wins. But imo if they're being played by the best Minecraft player and the best terraria player, minecraft could do it. A Minecraft player with all of the knowledge and skill to do everything in Minecraft would be crazy like basically a Minecraft TAS. They could use glitches to get bedrock and trap the terraria player. Or do some crazy nether portal stuff to trap the terraria player on the nther roof or the end void or something. Idk maybe I'm delusional.
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u/Express-Abies7748 12d ago
I mean , terrarian should be able to mine bedrock tho 💀 , can teleport and heck he even have a stand (no joke it's a real stand , kind of an Easter egg)
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u/Royal_Yard5850 Cookie Clicker neg diffs your favorite verse 12d ago
Nah bro, Terrarian could just Magic Mirror out of every trap Steve could set
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u/EquipmentSubject6801 12d ago
Steve can low diffs he can move at six times the speed of light making him have infinite mass and able to one shot anything literally making black holes with his existence. Low diff is only if terrerria can kill him in the 1/20th of a second it takes for a command to render
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u/Fit-Pomegranate-7192 12d ago
Whats the scaling for 6x speed of light?
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u/EquipmentSubject6801 12d ago
He can teleport millions of blocks in 1/20th of a second (the Minecraft tick time) and each block is roughly a yard so the maximum distance in a Minecraft world teleported equates to 6x the speed of light
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u/Fit-Pomegranate-7192 12d ago
this assumes that his ability to teleport translates to actual speed. Also if you give steve commands and/or creative mode then the terrarian should get access to god mode and the rest of the journey mode abilities. which just makes the fight a complete stalemate since neither can hurt each other.
I think that we can agree however that without using cheats/journey mode the terrarian stomps steve.
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