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Police Arrest a Student for Allegedly Riding Bike in Wrong Lane

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u/Gurrgurrburr 19h ago

All idiots who don't understand policing.

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u/AllergicIdiotDtector 19h ago

Just comply! jUsT cOmPlY !! Fuck the police

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u/mceric01 8h ago

No, it’s “My mommy never told me no so you can’t either!”

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u/ClownSperm 44m ago

so you’re saying authoritarianism is a good idea when it comes to policing and parenting? managers, siblings, and spouses—should they all take authoritarian postures with their employees, partners, and siblings as well? maybe children should be harsher with their pets, bakers with their cakes, and doctors with their patients. let’s everyone beat everything into submission poat haste.

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u/danm67 4h ago

Obey! Resistance is futile.

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u/VicFantastic 19h ago

Sure.....but would it have been so hard to give ID for 2 seconds and then be let go because you didn't really do anything wrong?

And no matter what you think about it, it is the law to give a police officer your ID if asked

Being poinlessly obstinant to prove a losing point is what they are looking for. They want you to act like an asshole so they have justification to be assholes back.

Is it that hard to understand?

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u/WCSakaCB 18h ago

It is absolutely not the law that you have to give police your ID. If they reasonably suspect you of committing a crime you do but it sounds like she has no idea what she was being stopped for.

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u/Such-Dragonfruit495 8h ago

Did you have a chance to watch the full body cam footage that proves you fell for an edited video?

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u/OrbitalSpamCannon 7h ago

Yes, if you're being issued a citation you have to give ID or verbally identify yourself.

Who are they going to write the citation for? "Girl in white shirt on bike"?

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u/Newdabrig 18h ago

It said she was talking to the cop for 20 mins for riding in the wrong lane she definitely knows what she was being stopped for

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u/Albert14Pounds 15h ago

And he cited a law that was irrelevant. She knew the law better than him. He tried to cite her for not staying in her lane, but the road was not divided. She questioned this and he didn't like it.

It doesn't matter if she knew or not. In Oregon, there is no statute requiring anybody who is not driving a motor vehicle to provide identification to a law enforcement officer upon demand. And the reason Trooper Katsikis continued to stall on her request to see his statutory authority to demand ID is because he has no statutory authority to demand ID. It’s perfectly legal for him to request ID. It’s perfectly legal for him to detain her while he attempts to establish her identity. But she is not required to answer questions about her identity, or to provide him with her ID. She is perfectly within her legal rights to not identify herself or provide ID, and she is not breaking the law if she does not surrender her legal rights to the officer.

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u/mceric01 8h ago

I feel like that’s wrong. You can commit a violation of state traffic law while on foot or bike as well. At least in NJ, if you violate a state traffic law, police can compel ID whether your on got, bike or in a car.

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u/Albert14Pounds 6h ago

Because that's NJ, not OR. New Jersey, along with 25 other states and the District of Columbia, has a ‘Stop and ID’ law. In New Jersey, specifically, a person may be stopped and asked to provide identification during a ‘reasonable’ traffic stop. It’s important to understand what constitutes a ‘reasonable’ stop and the consequences of failing to comply with the request for identification.

What Triggers a ‘Reasonable’ Traffic Stop in New Jersey?

A ‘reasonable’ traffic stop in New Jersey can be triggered by several factors, including:

A vehicle code violation (e.g., speeding, running a red light)

Mechanical defects on your vehicle

Situations where the officer has a reasonable suspicion that you’ve been involved in a crime.

Source: https://www.rinaldolawgroupllc.com/new-jersey-a-stop-and-id-state/

Conversely, Oregon is not a "Stop and ID" state, which means that if you are stopped by law enforcement and there is reasonable suspicion that you have committed a crime, you are not required to provide your name, address, and date of birth if requested. Refusing to provide this information can result in arrest for the crime the officer thinks you committed. However, the exact specifics of the law and how it is applied can vary depending on the situation and jurisdiction.

Do you have to show ID to a police officer? In Oregon, you may not be required to physically show an identification card to a police officer unless you are driving. If you are operating a vehicle, you must present your driver's license when requested. This requirement is part of the responsibilities associated with driving and helps law enforcement verify your identity and driving status during traffic stops or other driving-related interactions.

Keep in mind that it isn’t illegal in Oregon to refuse to identify yourself. However, police may detain you until your identity has been established. You may also be charged with a crime if you provide identification information that is false. You also have the right to refuse to provide your Social Security Number but may be required to show immigration papers if you aren’t a U.S. citizen and are being arrested for criminal activity.

Source: https://www.shannonpowelllaw.com/blog/is-oregon-a-stop-and-id-state-knowing-your-rights#:~:text=Oregon%20is%20not%20a%20%22Stop,date%20of%20birth%20if%20requested.

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u/VicFantastic 18h ago

Right at the begining he says he is going to give her a citation

Which requires your ID so that you don't falsly use someone else's name

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u/FunnyBoyBrown 18h ago

It requires you to identify yourself not present ID. Those are hugely differing things. You do not need a physical ID to just exist . Nor do you need id to ride a bike.

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u/VicFantastic 18h ago

Did you just ignore the comment you are responding to?

You need ID yo be issued a ticket

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u/FunnyBoyBrown 17h ago

You do not...that is not at all true. You need to be able to identify yourself and allow the cops to do so. You do not NEED a physical "ID". Driving a car you need a valid license and most places require you carry that "card or ID". Also, though bikes have to follow many similar rules as cars, you do not require a license to operate.

I understand what you are trying to imply but it isn't factually correct.

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u/poemdirection 16h ago

Oregon law only requires ID if you are driving a motor vehicle 🙄

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u/VicFantastic 16h ago

After 300 people responding the same thing, do you think you are makimg a new point?

Or that it has any relation to what my point was?

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u/poemdirection 14h ago

After writing multiple times that they needed ID did you understand what they meant?

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u/Albert14Pounds 15h ago

No, you don't.

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u/sabermagnus 17h ago

Charges dropped.

There is no law requiring ID for riding a bike in Oregon. It’s ok for police to infringe and deny your rights? The benefit I get to keep my identity secret from the government is exactly;y that… It is the right of free Americans, you know the constitution and bill of rights! Jesus you are daft.

For an ex con, you sure do love the taste of boot.

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u/VicFantastic 17h ago

Fuck me I gotta stop arguing with people that have zero readimg comprehension skills

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u/sabermagnus 17h ago

I agree, your comphresion skills are 0 at best.

Charges dropped per prosecutor as there was no crime committed. There is no Oregon statue requiring ID when riding bike.

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u/VicFantastic 17h ago

I litterally never said she needed an ID to ride a bike.

Go ahead and find where I said that

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u/_stoned_chipmunk_ 17h ago

But you do have to provide ID when getting a citation

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u/poemdirection 16h ago

Not according to Oregon law.

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u/Albert14Pounds 15h ago

That is false. In Oregon, there is no statute requiring anybody who is not driving a motor vehicle to provide identification to a law enforcement officer upon demand. And the reason Trooper Katsikis continued to stall on her request to see his statutory authority to demand ID is because he has no statutory authority to demand ID. It’s perfectly legal for him to request ID. It’s perfectly legal for him to detain her while he attempts to establish her identity. But she is not required to answer questions about her identity, or to provide him with her ID. She is perfectly within her legal rights to not identify herself or provide ID, and she is not breaking the law if she does not surrender her legal rights to the officer.

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u/WCSakaCB 18h ago

Well the charges got dropped so seems like the cops definitely fucked up.

Even if you're right and she's in the wrong, is this really how you think the police should treat your fellow Americans?

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u/VicFantastic 17h ago

Well....she was REAL dumb

Which my fellow Americans are REAL good at

Should she have been thrown on the ground and manhandled over a ticket? No. Of course not

Could she have avoided all of it by just not being a dumbass? Of course

I don't believe for a second that the cop didn't tell ber what he was writtimg the citation for

This video is clearly edited to skip the beginimg part in ordwr to make the cop look like the devil.

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u/komali_2 17h ago

In this country it's not OK for cops to dish out summary judgement like that because someone annoys them. She could have been screaming "fuck you pigs" and their behavior still wouldn't be justified.

Can't take the heat don't take the job.

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u/VicFantastic 16h ago

What judgement?

Cops don't judge anything.

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u/ap2patrick 16h ago

Fucking bootlicker dude she’s a fucking child… My god…

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u/VicFantastic 16h ago

Since when are 21 year olds considred children?

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u/Albert14Pounds 15h ago

That is false. In Oregon, there is no statute requiring anybody who is not driving a motor vehicle to provide identification to a law enforcement officer upon demand. And the reason Trooper Katsikis continued to stall on her request to see his statutory authority to demand ID is because he has no statutory authority to demand ID. It’s perfectly legal for him to request ID. It’s perfectly legal for him to detain her while he attempts to establish her identity. But she is not required to answer questions about her identity, or to provide him with her ID. She is perfectly within her legal rights to not identify herself or provide ID, and she is not breaking the law if she does not surrender her legal rights to the officer.

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u/Rottimer 19h ago

. . . but would it have been so hard to give ID for 2 seconds and then be let go because you didn’t really do anything wrong.

This is such a sickening fucking take from someone that supposedly lives in the United States. And by the way, no, it is NOT the law to give a police officer your ID if asked, particularly in Oregon. In fact there is no fucking law saying you need to even have ID unless you’re driving a fucking car on public roads.

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u/ACuddlyVizzerdrix 18h ago edited 12h ago

I was arrested once (I didn't know I had a suspended license), I did what I was told and was all "yes sir, no sir, please and thank you" but since i was twice the cops size he was super jittery and basically barking orders at me the whole time (i could feel him shaking when he tried to cuff me), like if you get that amped up over a simple arrest maybe this isnt the line of work for you

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u/ButterMahBunz 17h ago

I remember I was stopped for walking late at night. I was 19 at the time, so I looked like I was 16. When I stopped, it was three cop cars and six cops. I was nervous as fuck and they asked me why I was nervous. I straight up said "there's one of me, six of y'all, and y'all have guns".

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u/[deleted] 18h ago edited 18h ago

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u/kevin_k 18h ago

“There isn’t a statute requirement for you to present your driver’s license when you are riding a bicycle,” Benton District Attorney John Haroldson told CNN

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u/OrbitalSpamCannon 7h ago

You can identify yourself verbally.

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u/OrbitalSpamCannon 7h ago

It's the law if you're getting issued a citation.

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u/Thatguysstories 5h ago

No it is not.

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u/OrbitalSpamCannon 5h ago

It's the law that you have to identify yourself. Otherwise what exactly do you think they're going to write on the citation?

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u/VicFantastic 18h ago

I am an American

With a record as long as your arm

I've spent a lot of time in cuffs and not one time did I get thrown to the ground because I was strait stupid and didn't do the easiest thing possible to avoid that happening

It takes 2 seconda to pull out your ID. And what harm does it do? Like even a little?

All you are doing is giving the cop a free pass to do whatever he wants.

What if you have a warrent out? What if you are trying to pin your chargea on someone else's name?

What benefit do you get keeping your identity "secret"?

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u/komali_2 17h ago

They beat you into submission and I'm sorry that it happened to you.

The system worked as intended and now you've been successfully tamed.

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u/VicFantastic 16h ago

What? You don't even know what I did

And let me tell you....I deserved everything I got

All criminals breaking the law are justified and if they are rightfully punished then thats the system breaking them?

Thats the stupidest take I've heard yet

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u/komali_2 16h ago

You give up your rights willingly now because you've seen first hand that the law doesn't really matter, the cops and judges will just do whatever and you better not piss them off. That's what I mean.

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u/VicFantastic 16h ago

Of course that does happen, but none of that happened to me

I deserved every bit

And i got off super easy because I cooperated with simple things like pullimg out my ID

I'm not kidding. I got caught once with molly and the cops let me go specifically because I didn't fight or argue or try to get out of the crime I clearly commited. Well, that and the fact I was out of state and no freaking way I was showing up to that court date but thats nkt rrally here or there

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u/Firefly_Magic 18h ago

It’s not 2 seconds! Do you not understand the process of providing ID to police? They will then run it through the system and check for warrants which is not quick. Then there’s the possibility of being wrongfully identified as a criminal with outstanding warrants, yes this happens unfortunately. Warrants equal money.

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u/VicFantastic 18h ago

I have a criminal record longer than your arm

I understand better than most how to not get fucked over by cops when you were the one breaking the law

And identifying yourself is right at the top of the list

Also.....don't you think gettimg arrested and booked just so they can identify you anyway just might take a little extra time?

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u/IdontKnowYOUBH 18h ago

Woah there billy the kid tell us more about how your criminal record makes you an expert in this situation 😂.

Dude if this was the fucking 1600s and these were the people who fought for america.

This motherfucker would’ve been mob beaten for doing people like that.

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u/VicFantastic 18h ago

What a dumb take

It doesn't even make sense

But you're right, what would someone who has been arrested dozens of times know about being arrested?

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u/IdontKnowYOUBH 17h ago

I can guarantee you, the one thing you know about being arrested.

Is how to get caught and be arrested.

Sounds like you’re a terrible criminal, it’d be a “dumb take” for me to listen to someone who is terrible at being a criminal lmao. You dont even know how to avoid breaking the law but you’re hear to teach me the right about it? Lmao

You should focus on becoming a better criminal before you focus on teaching people shit.

Edit: also, literally it makes sense. America was built on the foundation of not being persecuted wrongly and treated unfairly.

“GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH.”

What a dumb criminal.

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u/Firefly_Magic 12h ago

The point is she doesn’t have to identify herself. This is her rights in her state. A minor bicycle infraction doesn’t warrant this extreme behavior from the ‘peace officer’. The more people voluntarily give up their rights, the more police will violate your rights. Hold the police accountable is what she was doing. She should never have been arrested, she should never have been threatened her with arrest and falsifying her actions.

And dude, stop being a criminal, it changes your mindset, brainwashing you to be used to the system. I may know as much or more than you but from the other side 😉

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u/VicFantastic 12h ago

Oh....apparently you arn't an expert

Shocked pikachu face!

You do know there is a difference between rights and laws right expert?

And I havn't been a "criminal" for 2 decades.

Besides, thats a stupid argument too, given that criminals arn't exactly known to be the type to get to love the judicial system because they are repeatably fucked by it

Do you hear yourself?

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u/kevin_k 18h ago

  • would it have been so hard to explain where in the road she's supposed to ride?

  • it is absolutely not "the law" there that you must provide ID to an LEO

  • It's not a 'losing point' to refuse non-lawful-order demands, and to bring attention to the LEO tactic of obscuring which commands are lawful orders and which are requests.

  • is that hard to understand?

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u/VicFantastic 18h ago

*It has litterally been the law foreverr that bikes travel in the same direction and lane as auto traffic. Children know this.

*You 100% have to present ID when being issued a citation in order to make sure the cop is writtimg it to the correct person.

*There wasn't a single non-lawful demand

*Apparently it is for you. Sorry.

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u/kevin_k 17h ago

  • That it has "litterally" [sic] been the law "foreverr" [sic] doesn't mean a warning wouldn't be reasonable. I've never heard of anybody I know getting a citation on a bicycle.

  • “There isn’t a statute requirement for you to present your driver’s license when you are riding a bicycle,” Benton District Attorney John Haroldson told CNN

  • (That means it wasn't a lawful order)

  • That something isn't a "lawful order" doesn't imply or mean that it's a "non-lawful demand". It just means that a person is under no legal obligation to comply with it. And, as the District Attorney made clear, there's no statutory obligation to provide ID in a bicycle stop, so there was nothing wrong with his request for her ID, but as it was not a lawful order, there was also nothing wrong with her declining that request.

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u/VicFantastic 17h ago

I havn't once argued you need to have an ID to ride a bike.

I've been saying you need an ID to be issued a ticket so that you don't pretend to be another person.

And just because you've never seen someone get a ticket on a bike doesn't mean it doesn't happen. One of my friends got a DUI ridimg a bike.

Do you know why he was arrested for that? Because he was a dick to the cops for no reason.

Do you actually think this clearly edited video shows everything? That dude was fed up with her run around shit. And I totally get that.

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u/kevin_k 17h ago

So you don't need to have an ID to ride a bike, but if you're issued a ticket, you suddenly do? How does that work?

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u/Rokarion14 1h ago

You finally get it at the end. The police officer was frustrated and that’s why he arrested her. There is no law against frustrating someone. The cop is an idiot who doesn’t know the law and he wrongfully arrested her. The number of crimes you’ve personally committed doesn’t change that in the least.

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u/MelbertGibson 17h ago edited 16h ago

Wtf are you talking about? You are not required to answer any questions or provide id to police unless you are doing something that requires a license. Thats what they mean when they say you have the RIGHT to remain silent.

If you are issued a summons and refuse to show an id, police can detain you until they are able to establish your identity but it is not in and of itself illegal or grounds for arrest.

Choosing to avail yourself of your constitutional rights is not pointless nor is it obstinate, and it certainly isnt justification for the way they manhandled this poor girl.

Is that hard to understand?

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u/VicFantastic 17h ago

The right to remain silent is your right not to answer questions that might incrimimate you in a crime

Asking for your name isn't incriminatimg yourself

Holy shit the reddit lawyers around here!

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u/MelbertGibson 16h ago edited 16h ago

I get that we’re arguing semantics here but there is more to it than just self-incrimination. For example, in a casual encounter where there is no reasonable suspicion of a crime you do not have to provide police with any information whatsoever. Failing to provide identification or answer questions in that scenario is not illegal or grounds for arrest.

If youre stopped by police and they have a reasonable suspicion that you committed a crime, which was the case here, the police have a right to detain you if you refuse to provide identification until they are able to establish your identity but, unless you are operating a vehicle that requires a license, it is not against the law to refuse to provide an id or answer questions.

Again they will place you under arrest for the crime you are suspected of committing and they have every right to do so, but you cannot be charged with failing to produce id or not answering their questions unless you are operating a vehicle or engaging in some other activity (fishing, hunting, carrying a gun, etc) that requires a license.

Should this girl have told the police her name or provided an id? Yeah probably, since not doing so effectively prevented them from issuing a citation for the crime she was suspected of committing and led to her arrest, but refusing to do so is not a criminal act.

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u/komali_2 17h ago

So you give up your rights because it's the easier option? Maybe America isn't the right country for your values. Try China?

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u/VicFantastic 16h ago

Yes, I give my ID because I don't lose a single thing in that interaction

What rights are you protecting?

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u/Such-Dragonfruit495 8h ago

Were you in favor of Covid vaccine mandates? You think someone needed to show proof of Covid vaccine in order to enter a restaurant, but giving your ID to a police officer after breaking the law is a bridge too far?

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u/komali_2 7h ago

A restaurant is a private business and bars should be allowed to turn people away that can't prove their age in a way the bar can reasonably confirm, because the bar is liable for someone underage drinking there.

The police can take your name and address, look it up in their little laptop, and log your citation against it.

If you don't like it, lobby congress to add an amendment to the constitution allowing local governments to pass stop and ID laws.

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u/Such-Dragonfruit495 7h ago

Restaurants were forced to enforce vaccine mandates in order to stay open.

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u/Albert14Pounds 15h ago

That is false. In Oregon, there is no statute requiring anybody who is not driving a motor vehicle to provide identification to a law enforcement officer upon demand. And the reason Trooper Katsikis continued to stall on her request to see his statutory authority to demand ID is because he has no statutory authority to demand ID. It’s perfectly legal for him to request ID. It’s perfectly legal for him to detain her while he attempts to establish her identity. But she is not required to answer questions about her identity, or to provide him with her ID. She is perfectly within her legal rights to not identify herself or provide ID, and she is not breaking the law if she does not surrender her legal rights to the officer.

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u/throwaway8u3sH0 4h ago

You have to id for a citation. Otherwise who do they write it to?

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u/bitcoinfucius 13h ago

Shut the fuck up. She doesn’t have to.

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u/VicFantastic 13h ago

Yawn

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u/bitcoinfucius 13h ago

Lol I love it when Yanks don’t understand “rights” and the “freedom” that they blab about having all day long.

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u/VicFantastic 13h ago edited 12h ago

I understand every bit of it

I believe you are the one prattling on about "rights" and "fuck you she doesn't have to" like a child

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u/bitcoinfucius 12h ago

The law says she doesn’t have to. Just a fact. I didn’t write it.

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u/VicFantastic 12h ago

And what does that have to do with "rights" since you are the expert laughing at those silly yanks?

Nothing

Nothing in this video even comes close to violating her rights as a citizen

She is even read miranda right in the video

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u/bitcoinfucius 12h ago

Lol it is her right not not have to produce ID for no reason. This would fall under your 4th amendment rights in the USA.

You can learn more about your rights here at the National Archives

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u/gugudan 12h ago edited 12h ago

It is not the law to give your ID. Case law has always supported this.

There isn't even a law requiring people to have ID.

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u/Funkedalic 19h ago

Kids in America go around with their ID in their pocket?

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u/Living-Supermarket92 19h ago

You can tell them you don't have your ID and it is not breaking any law unless you are driving.

Most people don't have an ID until they get their driver's license which can be as early as 15 in America but usually not so commonly.

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u/Rus1981 19h ago

She didn't say "I don't have my ID" or "Sorry officer, I'm just out for a bike ride and don't have any on me."

She refused to comply, and then, in typical dipshit fashion said "I don't answer questions."

Ok, arrest it is.

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u/RollofDuctTape 18h ago edited 18h ago

The end of the video literally tells you she wasn’t required to identify herself. It also tells you they dropped all charges against her.

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u/Rus1981 18h ago

I don't give a shit what a fucking youtube video says. The ACLU of Oregon says that if you don't provide ID you can be detained.

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u/RollofDuctTape 17h ago

You don’t know the difference between “detained” and “arrested.” The ACLU of Oregon said that she had no obligation to identify herself.

Cops have the authority to detain her and see if they can identify her, but she’s not required to help them conduct that investigation.

It is not obstruction to refuse to identify yourself in Oregon. It is your legal right.

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u/Albert14Pounds 15h ago

Yeah, people seem to make this "logical" jump from "can detain you until they establish your identity" to "you must establish your identity". Like you're required to identify yourself.

You are not. They can do their best to try to identify you, but you aren't required to do it say squat.

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u/Albert14Pounds 15h ago

None of that is an arrestable offense. No requirement in Oregon to produce ID or even identity yourself unless you're driving a motor vehicle. Not even if you're being cited.

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u/Rus1981 15h ago

Literally not true. If you refuse to comply you can be detained. If you refuse to identify yourself to be cited then you can be arrested.

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u/Albert14Pounds 14h ago

Incorrect. In Oregon, police are authorized to stop and detain a person for investigation of the violation, identification and issuing a citation. See ORS 810.410, Arrest and citation. Police are authorized to issue a citation for a traffic violation but are prohibited from making an arrest for a traffic violation. Police also have the authority to detain you until they establish your identity, and there is nothing to prevent police from asking you your name and even asking for proof of your identity.

However, you are not required to tell them your name, and you don’t have to provide ID. You aren’t even required to carry ID in Oregon. (Note however that you are required to have a valid driver’s license in your possession if you are operating a motor vehicle, and you are required to produce your driver’s license if you are stopped for a traffic violation or you are involved in a traffic collision while operating a motor vehicle and the officer requests to see your driver’s license. See ORS 807.570, Failure to carry or present license.)

https://www.bicyclelaw.com/do-cyclists-need-to-show-id-if-they-are-stopped-by-police-in-oregon/#:~:text=The%20officers%20called%20her%20continued,and%20subject%20to%20serious%20penalties

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u/RollofDuctTape 10h ago

You’ve been proven wrong over and over and refuse to acknowledge it. Tells you a lot about yourself, your agenda, and what kind of person you are.

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u/Optimal_Ad3876 19h ago

A wallet ?!?!?!????

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u/VicFantastic 19h ago

What do you mean kid?

There's nothing that implies the age of the lady is there? Other then the misleading title?

Don't you think that she would have said 'I don't have an ID, I'm a child" if that was the case?

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u/GentianGT4 19h ago

She's a college student so she's likely of age to be carrying around an ID

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u/Ok_Explanation5631 18h ago

Agreed! Gotta teach those hardened criminals who ride on the wrong bike lane a lesson. Imagine had she pulled out another bicycle on the officers?? Glad they’re safe.

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u/decentishUsername 1h ago

There wasn't even a lane

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u/Gurrgurrburr 18h ago

Yeah keep thinking repeating "I don't answer questions" is a great way to not only deal with a cop stopping you but improve police/community relations in the U.S. Big brain stuff. So punk rock.

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u/Islanduniverse 17h ago

You think what happened here was okay? Even though the police themselves admit it wasn’t?

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u/Gurrgurrburr 16h ago

No, stupidity on both sides, as per my original comment. Two things can be true at the same time.

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u/decentishUsername 1h ago

It's crazy to expect a kid who's unexpectedly getting arrested for essentially nothing to do everything correctly

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u/Blunt_Ninja 3h ago

If you answer questions they will turn it against you. Don't answer questions and get a lawyer. The reason they don't tell her why she is being arrested is so that they can slam her to the ground and arrest her for resisting arrest. They can't pull you over, ask you for ID because they suspect you of resisting arrest. Get it? it's a legal game to them. "The department makes X amount of arrest yearly, we are doing our job, increase our budget"

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u/Ok_Explanation5631 17h ago

Who are you trying to convince brother I’m all for tyrannical behavior. We gotta teach these dangerous, villainess criminals a lesson!