r/TheBoys • u/MrSluagh • Jul 22 '24

Butcher was right. Season 4

Hughie had it backwards. It's the desensitization that made him sympathize with Victoria Neumann. Someone who has murder victims at least in the double digits, very conservatively counting only on-screen killings. And most of those were cold-blooded and for Machiavellian reasons. She had an understandable point of view, and deserves more sympathy than Homelander, who deserves more than none. Sure, she was manipulated, but there was no sign she wouldn't kill more innocent people given a reason. There isn't room in the world for a bulletproof blood-Magneto, unless maybe she's been conditioned from childhood to abhor all violence and devoted her life to medicine. If you had a good opportunity to kill Victoria Neumann, that would be the ethical thing to do.

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u/Cautious-String7076 Jul 22 '24

But they had won. They stopped the assassination. Homelander was a wreck. They had the full support of the president and vice president. To top it off, they had what was likely the second most powerful supe on their side. And in an instant, Butcher gave it all away, and now they’re all captured or fleeing from both Homelander and the government.

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u/ringlord_1 Jul 22 '24

What makes you think Neuman remains with them. Homelander threatens Zoe and Victoria pops the head of each and everyone on The Boys side.

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u/ARTIFICIAL_SAPIENCE Jul 22 '24

They have the ability to get Zoe where Homelander can't find her. This is demonstrably possible.

And then they just need to use Neuman quick by having her testify against Homelander. Don't even need to take a long time to accomplish that. Start with a recorded testimony. 

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u/bombamdillo Jul 22 '24

Boys couldn’t even hide themselves lol

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u/aspiring_scientist97 Jul 22 '24

That was after the government was taken over, even with all the surveillance at vought the government can sneak someone out of Homelander's sight for at least as long as the antisupe laws to become a reality.

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u/umc_thunder72 Jul 22 '24

That's because the boys have to be in a position where they're constantly able to go on the attack if required, they aren't playing defense. Zoe on the other hand would be in some deep hidden hole, likely not even in America.

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u/Due-Display-3113 Jul 22 '24

What good does that do? Do you think Homelander would just turn himself in? They would be better off to get Homelander on their side or neutral while they figure out a surefire way to kill him. If they piss him him off without a way to stop him you will have a civil war of the super against the government that would cause massive damage and possibly end in defeat for the government.

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u/ARTIFICIAL_SAPIENCE Jul 22 '24

Homelander was literally bawling on the floor when he thought he lost. He's not going to have a super army if he doesn't have public support. There's at least two supers we already know of with his potential, so the supers can take him en mass. 

But the most likely outcome is his ass finds a mirror and lobotomizes himself with his own eyebeams. He wants to be loved and adored. And if he's hated, he's done. 

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u/Due-Display-3113 Jul 22 '24

He can fly most supes can't. He can also fly faster than any other supes we have seen so far. If he started flying and leveling cities with his lasers he could cause massive damage and it would be near impossible for other supes to pay a hand on him.

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u/infamousDiego Jul 22 '24 edited Jul 23 '24

Godolkin has a problem with students flying out of dorm windows, so it's not too rare. It at least seems common among the most powerful, or maybe richest, supes.

I wonder if they gave different qualities of V depending on demographics.

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u/Such-Community6622 Jul 22 '24

Sure, I think it's pretty evident he can probably kill everyone and maybe end the world at any time, but that's not what he wants. Despite every effort what he still craves is the adoration and respect of the masses. If he didn't want that, Sage and the world of politics would have no value to him, but it very much does.

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u/L0nelyPers0n Jul 23 '24

New Noir, Starlight, and Ryan can fly. Stormfromt was able to fly. Sam can super jump so it’s possible he can fly if he figures it out seeing how Luke (Golden Boy) could fly. That’s just the main ones that were shown. GOD U had more that weren’t named.

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u/Due-Display-3113 Jul 23 '24

Only Homelander and Ryan can fly and shoot powerful projectiles and only Homelander can fly at super speed that we know of so the others are far less of a threat.

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u/L0nelyPers0n Jul 23 '24

My comment was towards your statement of “most supes can’t fly”. I named 5 named Supes that were shown that were able to.

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u/axelkoffel Jul 23 '24

Maybe, but why would he do that? His goal obviously isn't to kill everyone and destroy the world, but to rule and be praised.

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u/Pridespain Jul 23 '24

Yeah bawling… but then if he’s lost everything he’d just kill everyone. The only reason the boys are still alive is because plot, Homelander could kill them at any point but doesn’t because he’s afraid of not being loved and accepted. If he thought he’d lost everything, then he’d nuke everyone.

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u/NeoKnife Jul 23 '24

THEY didn’t. The government did. And now Homelander runs the government.

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u/ARTIFICIAL_SAPIENCE Jul 23 '24

And now Homelander runs the government.

Only because Butcher killed Neuman. The President and Vice President were opposed to Homelander.

Butcher's actions removed them both.

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u/Dull-Brain5509 Jul 23 '24

Season 3 literally shows that this theory ain't possible

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u/calloutyourstupidity Jul 23 '24

Testify ? Homelander needs to die. The world seeing homelander as evil would only make homelander murder millions.