r/TheBoys Jul 22 '24

Butcher was right. Season 4

Hughie had it backwards. It's the desensitization that made him sympathize with Victoria Neumann. Someone who has murder victims at least in the double digits, very conservatively counting only on-screen killings. And most of those were cold-blooded and for Machiavellian reasons. She had an understandable point of view, and deserves more sympathy than Homelander, who deserves more than none. Sure, she was manipulated, but there was no sign she wouldn't kill more innocent people given a reason. There isn't room in the world for a bulletproof blood-Magneto, unless maybe she's been conditioned from childhood to abhor all violence and devoted her life to medicine. If you had a good opportunity to kill Victoria Neumann, that would be the ethical thing to do.

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u/MGD109 Jul 22 '24

See I kind of disagree. Now don't get me wrong Neuman was extremely dangerous and had committed a lot of crimes that she deserved to be punished for.

But this wasn't the right time. She was literally offering them their best opportunity to actually win this war. Now was the time to be pragmatic. After the war is over, we can start asking all the questions about what is going to happen to her.

Also I kind of don't think Neuman would be that impossible to imprison. Sure she's extremely dangerous, but from what we've seen her powers have a key weakness in that she needs to actually see her targets for them to work. She could be imprisoned, just by ensuring she was blindfolded and locking her in a room sturdy enough to handle her.

Now of course getting to that situation would be harder and it might be more moral to just kill her, rather than sending people to their deaths to try to capture her.

But the biggest thing I disagree with, is I don't think Butcher killed Neuman out of morals or justice or even personal animosity. He killed her cause she's a Supe and he's now embraced the part of him that says all Supe's have to die.

Hence why he dragged it out as long as he did and killed her in such an utterly brutal manner.

Really I'd argue the guy only didn't kill Kimiko and Annie out of lingering personal feelings for the two of them, he was certainly happy for them in that scene. He's already committed to a pat that signs both their death warrants.

I predict that going forwards if he sees a Supe he's going to try to kill them. It doesn't matter who they are, or what they've done or what they haven't done. He's decided the part of him that believes the world is better without them is right, and that's the path he will now go down.

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u/Edmontonthrw Jul 22 '24

They kind of retconned the her needing to see people thing when she made everyone at the farm get a nose bleed at once before she had entered the room.

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u/MGD109 Jul 22 '24

Yeah, they kind of did. It was established as a weakness all the way back in season three during her fight with Tony. And it was brought back in her death, with Butcher deliberately covering her eyes as his opening attack.

I guess they decided that scene at the farmhouse was simply too cool not to include even if it went against the previously established rules of how her powers worked.

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u/Melo98 Jul 22 '24

I mean she might just have gotten better at it idk

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u/MGD109 Jul 23 '24

Its possible. But then they kind of brought it back in the climax when she died.