r/microsoft • u/SourDoughSnake • Aug 12 '24
This is just embarassing Xbox
I bought a $666 CAD xbox series x, and then bought minecraft, I went to play with my family and it requires a subscription to play online, after I have spent $700 to play. The cheapest subscription is $12 a month for xbox live just to play online. Thats so greasy. Just milking every dime. Anyone agree? Disagree?
More specifically. Why is it only xbox, not iPad or Pc who has to pay to play locally, anything for a dollar, I have definitely lost respect for them. Just to use the xbox online, i have to pay AT LEAST $12 a month.
Edit: thank you for the responses, there are good points. I do apoligize for the bluntness and being inconsiderate, i was disappointed to have to pay more even after $700, but still, thank you guys.
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u/Brief_Top1514 Aug 12 '24
I think you get a game pass trial which includes online multiplayer with a new xbox
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u/DonJuanDoja Aug 12 '24
Disagree.
You can play it offline if you want.
Online features require servers.
Servers cost money.
They also require maintenance. Which also costs money.
Why do you think all that should be free?
I've paid for and run my own servers for MC, on top of the normal costs, just to get my own servers.
I've also seen people setup and pay for servers in order to make money, by selling in game benefits.
If anyone is milking it's the paid server community. Not MS.
Just google a server like PixelBlock, look what people are paying on there. Still think MS is the problem? I don't.
If anything Java/MC servers with pay to win are the milkers.
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u/SourDoughSnake Aug 12 '24
I just feel like, I bought the game, it isnt stated on the disc, and I cannot play with my family on a local server without paying $12 a month for xbox live. Ipad can play fine, pc can play fine, just xbox needs to charge me for it? Console gaming is terrible now.
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u/SourDoughSnake Aug 12 '24 edited Aug 12 '24
Also I do think Microsoft is the problem? I need to pay for xbox live just to play on a world that ipads and pcs can play on together for free? Thats 100% microsoft, or at least xbox, which is owned by microsoft.
Edit: I have to pay $12 just to play online on the xbox at all. Paying $700 doesn’t include playing online on any game?
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u/Chemical-Ad7365 Aug 12 '24
Microsoft and Sony sell their consoles at a loss, if you want to play on servers pay the premium and get a pc. The only reason they’re so cheap in comparison to PCs is because they know they’ll make their money off Xbox/PlayStation Live.
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u/SourDoughSnake Aug 12 '24
Ah I see. I just feel like you could get a decent pc for $700, and I wouldn’t have to pay $12-20 a month to play with your friends.
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u/Chemical-Ad7365 Aug 12 '24
Yeah I agree, I only have an xbox because my friends aren’t very tech literate so I just eat the $200 or whatever it is a year.
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u/3nt0 Aug 12 '24
Yeah, that's one of the main points that communities like PCMR make about the benefits of PCs. With the money you save from online subscriptions you can get a PC which is probably better than a console.
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u/SourDoughSnake Aug 12 '24
Yeah, i agree with you on that. It obviously depends what lifestyle and preferences you have, but I am definitely pc-sided now.
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u/SourDoughSnake Aug 12 '24
And thank you, I didn’t know that.
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u/Chemical-Ad7365 Aug 12 '24
You’re welcome, it’s not very common knowledge from what I can tell so don’t feel bad.
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u/DonJuanDoja Aug 12 '24
Xbox live comes with features they don't have access to, including voice call Xbox parties, chat, posting screenshots, friends and other social features. Sure, there's ways to do all of that. But they all require some app or another account or something on some other platform.
Like I get what you're saying. But you're wrong man. Sorry.
This was a common complaint way back when they first started charging for it, but it's always been a value proposition. Not just some greedy cash grab.
I remember when Sony players were using Xbox chat parties because Sony's network was garbage. So there's that too. Guys actually booted up their xbones just so they could talk while playing with people on Playstation. Long time ago pretty sure it's fixed by now but that's what you got from Sony for free at the time. Think they charge for it now.
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u/SourDoughSnake Aug 12 '24
Yeah man thats fair. It is just that I do not need xbox parties, voice chat, i just want to play with my family in my house. I understand what you mean. I just was surprised, it feels like it is a subscription for anything nowadays.
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u/DonJuanDoja Aug 12 '24
Well that’s something we agree on, way too many accounts and subscriptions needed for everything.
And if something isn’t worth it then you shouldn’t buy it.
Now that you say all this just realized I’m paying for game pass ultimate pc and never use it. Think I’ll downgrade that to just gold. Thanks!
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u/SourDoughSnake Aug 12 '24
Thank you for the debate. I appreciate your well constructed points. I 100% understand where you are coming from.
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u/seefoodinc Aug 12 '24
So you should have access to data centers, energy it takes to run them, and server infrastructure for free?
Yeah, no. You bought a system and a game, which guarantees offline access.
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u/SourDoughSnake Aug 12 '24 edited Aug 12 '24
But iPads and PCs can play for free? They dont have to pay, thats what is annoying to me. It is specifically xbox. I have to pay to use the console online, after paying $700
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u/seefoodinc Aug 12 '24
I can’t knock this reply at all, and actually did not realize it (I’ve only ever used console). I don’t have a good response to yours, and I give more credence to your point for sure
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u/Radrezzz Aug 12 '24
I wonder how much you guys think it costs to run these game servers. It’s nowhere near $12/mo. per Xbox sold.
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u/atuarre Aug 12 '24
What?
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u/Radrezzz Aug 12 '24
I said… IT DOESN’T COST $12 PER MONTH TO SUPPORT USERS CONNECTING TO XBOX LIVE.
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u/mortenlu Aug 12 '24
100% AGREE!
Paying to be able to play online is ridiculous. My kids plays tons of Minecraft, and play it on PC, Android, iPad and Xbox. Only on Xbox do I need to pay for online play. Well, I actually also bought Minecraft for the Switch as well, but never once played it, because I needed an additional subscription to play there as well. HEEEELL NAW.
Now, I do happen to have Gamepass, so it's not actually a problem on the Xbox, but I doubt I would pay just to get online play.
The fact that people are used to it, does not make it ok.
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u/SourDoughSnake Aug 12 '24
Yes I 100% agree with you! I will definitely be buying a computer next time and not an xbox. Thank you for your comment!
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u/udonforlunch Aug 13 '24
You get get gamepass core for like $50 a year
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u/SourDoughSnake Aug 13 '24
Oh really?
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u/Rudradev715 Aug 13 '24
Go to Costco or target for gamepass subs for a year or more
When they're on sale they are cheap
You can play so many AAA games and day one of Microsoft exclusives
You can just use it on both PC and xbox with a single subscription
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u/pcweber111 Aug 12 '24
come on man, you trolls need to try harder.
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u/SourDoughSnake Aug 12 '24
What do you mean?
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u/pcweber111 Aug 13 '24
Sorry I’m just being spicy I guess. I know it sucks to have to deal with companies like this. Hopefully it works out for you!
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u/warren2345 Aug 12 '24
In this particular case OP is 100 percent correct. PC players get access for free on the back of Xbox Live subscribers
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u/Road_Journey Aug 12 '24 edited Aug 12 '24
I only came here to say that I like the way you used the word greasy and I think it'll now be part of my daily lexicon.
edit: I hope you don't let this greasy money grab deter the enjoyment of your new toy. I know it sucks but just make sure you enjoy it enough to make it worth your money. Have fun!
edit2: Yikes being downvoted for this. You must be the people who talk about people's mothers on XBox live. Go on then, downvote me, just tell your mom to stop calling me.
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u/SourDoughSnake Aug 12 '24 edited Aug 12 '24
Haha thank you, glad i could help
Edit: thank you lol. I will not be buying a new xbox when this one is old lol. I will try and enjoy the new toy though haha, thanks. Will probably get into some Halo
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u/homeguitar195 Aug 13 '24
I would recommend 1-3, and Reach. Maybe 4. Everything after that went steeply downhill. I've heard good things about ODST but haven't played it. Honestly, I can't justify an Xbox since the entire catalogue of games is limited in quality to what the less-powerful Series S can handle, due to Microsoft's policies about all games being fully functional on both, meaning maybe you get higher resolution or a bit better framerate on the X, but nothing else for your much higher price. Many in the field consider the Series S as holding back the entire gaming industry as far as cross-platform games go, due to Xbox's weird policies.
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u/Aceturnedjoker Aug 12 '24
It's been this way for decades now