r/AdviceAnimals 13h ago

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u/Enlowski 11h ago

My man I read this exact comment in 2016. Obviously every news source needs engagement, but there will be a lot of people shocked in November unless they go vote.

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u/Psychast 9h ago

Nah "it's 2016 2.0" narrative is literally just because his opponent is a woman again, and he's not in the WH this time. It ignores 2020 AND 2022 (where conservatives kept parroting "LOL 2016 again LOL polls wrong again").

In 2016 he billed himself as a confident "drain the swamp" outsider, he told it like it was, a stark contrast to the "establishment" politicians who were out of touch with reality (unlike Trump, who is totally down to Earth /s). He managed to politically motivate a whole wave of voters that were completely off of pollsters radars, between the bad polls, the media Hilary glaze, and both the establishment and democrats in general not taking his candidacy seriously enough, it's not a wonder he won in hindsight.

There is no mystery anymore, everyone knows exactly who he is and he has managed to motivate zero new voters because he is the exact same schmuck. His people worship him like a god, but that's it. The ambivalent undecided vote that heavily favored him in 2016 has not done so again since then. Pollsters have been scared straight since that massive fuck up, and have been very on the money since then.

So when the polls say it's close but Harris has the advantage, I believe that, and it won't be shocking if she wins, it won't be super shocking if she loses either though. I personally think that if she simply stays the course and focuses on the key states, it's hugely in her favor.

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u/zaphodava 8h ago

I worry that the right wing propaganda will successfully manipulate the economically ignorant into believing that inflation should be blamed on the current administration.

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u/NoHippo6825 7h ago

It should

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u/ElectricDayDream 7h ago

Expand? I mean really just dropping “it should” ignored the multi-faceted reality that drives inflation in general, let alone in this particular time.

Inflation was going to skyrocket no matter who won in 2020. They printed so much fucking money and injected it directly into the American economy on both a large business scale and into the tax paying population directly (which in turn spent that money at/in businesses for rent, food, guns, etc.) which was essentially a 0% interest loan to these businesses during Covid that came outside of the ppp and other business bailouts that were created.

The scale of damage to the supply chain also helped. Was it blamed longer than it should have been? Absolutely. But the supply chain was damaged during Covid and when demand spiked it allowed additional inflation as well.

The president doesn’t control the fed, they can influence a decision, but in the end the fed raising rates is the feds decision, not an administration.

Also, let’s not forget the “tax cuts” that were really anything but. Forcing whoever is in power to continue them in 2025 to not kill the middle class even further without a full tax code revamp (good luck passing that in the current congress). These tax cuts also lowered revenue to cover back general inflation and the inflation we saw.

Yes Biden passed another bailout/handout, but when coupled with what was already done and happening, this did not have as large an effect on inflation as the preceding years did before he took office.

The us also had and maintained some of the lowest inflation rates in the world during the COVID recovery. The fed stepping in helped keep it that way.

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u/Anthony11151991 6h ago

Ever heard of "The Inflation Reduction Act" ? That's one of many pieces of legislation by this administration . "TIRA added 1 trillion to our national debt in of itself.

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u/ElectricDayDream 6h ago

TIRA isn’t a sole contributor to inflation however, and I also cited Biden acts as contributing to it. Which includes TIRA.

However, that does not mean we wouldn’t have seen skyrocketing inflation without it, the damage was already done though.

Wage growth during the boom cycle post-Covid also contributed to inflation. If wage hikes had stayed consistent with inflation from the 80s to now, rather than stagnating so hard, this would have less of an effect on it due to a less sudden surge in real wages. Couple that with greed, and that new income is eaten directly by companies raising prices to “meet demand” even after the supply chain stabilized. Please bring more to the table about these issues other than a single point and then acting like you got me. Inflation and foreign policy are so multi-faceted in their drivers that you can’t blame a single piece of legislation for it. Because it’s driven by factors outside of legislative control just as much as it is by legislative acts. Sometimes more.

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u/zaphodava 7h ago

What Biden policies are responsible for inflation in Europe? Australia? Russia?

I know economics is a complicated subject, but this part really isn't that hard.

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u/111IIIlllIII 7h ago

exactly. the inflation the entire world experienced following a global pandemic should be blamed entirely on the evil demonrats, especially brandon and kamala. trump will fix it. he alone can fix everything/anything. thanks for being brave enough to say this <3

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u/BeautifulHindsight 6h ago

Found one of the economically ignorant